Why Bernard won, and why Bernard is still the best

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Hopkins knows that you can't leave a fight in the hands of the judges because they just see completely different fights. As soon as you see their pictures you know the score cards are going to be out of wack.Hopkin's knows that in the rematch it must end in a KO. Hopkins started late yes, but I think he won the fight Rds.5,8-12 not clear about 6 &7 he had Taylor confused, tired, and beaten. Hopkins is a very smart fighter he shut down taylor's jab I didn't see the taylor that just demolish his opponents he was very timid to fight his fight. Hopkins had him in the position to KO'd him, but he didn't finish. I like them both but Hopkins is the man a bit dirty but I love his style. Rematch Hopkins KO's taylor needs to wear his mask next time...

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If you'll watch the entire fight, rewind it, and then watch it second time, you will realize that Taylor did not land but one or two 'flush' punches on Bernard. The rest were all shrugged off power punches, while they looked good to the average novice fan or judge because leather is flying in the ring, to a person that really knows Boxing it's easy to see he was missing with 99% of his punches, because Nard would duck his head right out of the pocket like the insane veteran that he is. On the occassion that a punch would land, Bernard's head would be moving away from the punch,(i do this) so even if that catches him it causes zero damage. Even if you are bold and novice enough to say Taylor legitimately won, you can't deny Hopkins greatness..he owned Taylor, he was landing straight right hands right on the button, I'm not sure if anyone else heard the lead straight right hand Hop landed in the 9th or 10th, to me, it sounded almost like a .22 going off. And when in the history of the sport have you seen an undefeated bull with a 75%+ KO percentage get owned by a 40 year old man/not land a single clean flush power punch on him? NEVER! The old guy always gets his ass kicked or at least takes some shots, not Bernard. He is still the greatest, and you sadists that say he's boring, can lick my asshole. You have to admire Bernard for his inside work. While he was holding and hitting at times, you just have to understand that's how the man fights. He's not hitting behind the head, he likes to hold and dig in his power hand into your body 2-3 times, then unclinch. It's not Ruiz, and it's not Hatton, it's Bernard's version of roughhousing and it's completely legitimate in my opinion. Hatton spins opponents around and punches behind the head, Ruiz constantly grabs, Bernard just does it when he feels he needs an edge. Bernard is the king at cheesy infighting like that and making it look good. He'll turn his back to the ref and do it, and when the ref turns to get a better look Nard will turn with the ref and keep punching, it's really quite skillful. Lastly, you have to admire the way Bernard fakes his accidental headbutts. I believe it was in round four or five, he comes in with the hardest part of his body aimed straight at Taylor's chin, his neck is immobile and stationary, while throwing punches coming in so it looks unintentional, he lands the top of his head FLUSH on Taylor's chin, turning Taylor's skull 90 degrees to the side. A fucking work of art. Yeah, and don't forget, Taylor was holding onto Bernard because he was dazed, at least once, in that fight. I think Bernard was robbed, by HBO, because the fans all hate Bernard's style except those few hardcore fans like myself..Not only that but Bernard has a thugged out attitude and the fat white guy who runs HBO doesn't like that shit, he'd rather put a young guy like Taylor who tucks in his shirt and is from a redneck town on the throne, it's just a fucked up situation.. oh and Dibella did you hear how he was talking shit about nard saying Taylor is gonna knock him the fuck out? man i swear to god i know he'd sue me but put me in a room with him and I swear id strangle that motherfucker you still owe me points.

There is no way Hop gets knocked out in the rematch. I gotta agree. Hop is a master of the sweet science. So much shit goes on in the ring no one even sees, and Hop does it all, and does it well. Marciano was also very good at punching someone with his fist, wrist, forearm, and elbow, and he got away with it. Hop is the champ!!

what some people are chosing to forget is simple MATH!!! You take 8 from 12 and that leaves 4..as in how many rds hopkins won clearly! NO knockdowns, so no 10-8 rds..simple math done by the 10 pt must system insists that taylor won this fight....PERIOD!! Regardless of what benard had planned and wanted to do later in the fight (ko taylor) he DIDNT..so all the previous rds have to be added up! Even if nard won 5 rds instead of 4, that still leaves taylor as the winner...I dont get all the discussion, debates and cries of "robbery" when the math tells the story!! Flush shots or not, nard did NOTHING for far too many rds to expect to come back and win an entire fight simply by winning the championship rds. It doesnt work that way!

Also, redneck town? Little Rock may not be New York City, but it is far from a redneck town, sorry to disappoint you. BTW, I've seen your pussy ass videos where you beat up on people a foot smaller than you and you sound like some inbred redneck yourself.

If you'll watch the entire fight, rewind it, and then watch it second time, you will realize that Taylor did not land but one or two 'flush' punches on Bernard. The rest were all shrugged off power punches, while they looked good to the average novice fan or judge because leather is flying in the ring, to a person that really knows Boxing it's easy to see he was missing with 99% of his punches, because Nard would duck his head right out of the pocket like the insane veteran that he is. On the occassion that a punch would land, Bernard's head would be moving away from the punch,(i do this) so even if that catches him it causes zero damage. Even if you are bold and novice enough to say Taylor legitimately won, you can't deny Hopkins greatness..he owned Taylor, he was landing straight right hands right on the button, I'm not sure if anyone else heard the lead straight right hand Hop landed in the 9th or 10th, to me, it sounded almost like a .22 going off. And when in the history of the sport have you seen an undefeated bull with a 75%+ KO percentage get owned by a 40 year old man/not land a single clean flush power punch on him? NEVER! The old guy always gets his ass kicked or at least takes some shots, not Bernard. He is still the greatest, and you sadists that say he's boring, can lick my asshole. You have to admire Bernard for his inside work. While he was holding and hitting at times, you just have to understand that's how the man fights. He's not hitting behind the head, he likes to hold and dig in his power hand into your body 2-3 times, then unclinch. It's not Ruiz, and it's not Hatton, it's Bernard's version of roughhousing and it's completely legitimate in my opinion. Hatton spins opponents around and punches behind the head, Ruiz constantly grabs, Bernard just does it when he feels he needs an edge. Bernard is the king at cheesy infighting like that and making it look good. He'll turn his back to the ref and do it, and when the ref turns to get a better look Nard will turn with the ref and keep punching, it's really quite skillful. Lastly, you have to admire the way Bernard fakes his accidental headbutts. I believe it was in round four or five, he comes in with the hardest part of his body aimed straight at Taylor's chin, his neck is immobile and stationary, while throwing punches coming in so it looks unintentional, he lands the top of his head FLUSH on Taylor's chin, turning Taylor's skull 90 degrees to the side. A fucking work of art. Yeah, and don't forget, Taylor was holding onto Bernard because he was dazed, at least once, in that fight. I think Bernard was robbed, by HBO, because the fans all hate Bernard's style except those few hardcore fans like myself..Not only that but Bernard has a thugged out attitude and the fat white guy who runs HBO doesn't like that shit, he'd rather put a young guy like Taylor who tucks in his shirt and is from a redneck town on the throne, it's just a fucked up situation.. oh and Dibella did you hear how he was talking shit about nard saying Taylor is gonna knock him the fuck out? man i swear to god i know he'd sue me but put me in a room with him and I swear id strangle that motherfucker I'm sorry Slipx, but a fight is scored on rounds not on how many "flush" shots somebody scores in the course of the fight. Yes, Hopkins hurt Taylor in a couple rounds, but didn't do shit in any other rounds. If you give it to Hopkins solely based on that, Taylor is robbed of his undisputed title. Hopkins is a great fighter, but if he loses most of the rounds he loses the fight. Do you know anything about boxing and how it is scored?

SacTown1 I'm not crying about the decision. I'm just giving an opinion without any bias. I don't understand why you think your some fuckin einstein. Nice predicitions smart ass. cry me a river ;(

DONE and DONE. Over out! tuuuuuuuut! End of tis thread. you da man MannyP!!!

keep on cryin' and whinin' everybody, the fact still remains: Jermain Taylor is the NEW world middleweight champion! All of this nonsense about "Hopkins won the fight" is ridiculous, the 3 scorecards from the judges is ALL that matters, and if B-Hop was soooooo dominant like many of the skeptics are saying, then why did Taylor make it to the final bell? And how come Bernard was only throwing 15-20 punches per round? The answer is simple, taylor was the better man that night, and in the rematch B-Hop might flip the script, but Taylor is the King until proven otherwise DONE and DONE. Over out! tuuuuuuuut! End of tis thread.

keep on cryin' and whinin' everybody, the fact still remains: Jermain Taylor is the NEW world middleweight champion! All of this nonsense about "Hopkins won the fight" is ridiculous, the 3 scorecards from the judges is ALL that matters, and if B-Hop was soooooo dominant like many of the skeptics are saying, then why did Taylor make it to the final bell? And how come Bernard was only throwing 15-20 punches per round? The answer is simple, taylor was the better man that night, and in the rematch B-Hop might flip the script, but Taylor is the King until proven otherwise

good post! side note: I dont know wut ta hell is wrong wit sum BS members here, cuz I can clearly see that IWatchBoxing got sum killa boxing knowledge. Too many haters here need to chill! Calm Down, Calm Down, I didnt call you a BS member or i havent said a bad negative thing to you, im just posting opinions just like you are, im not calling out names like you then then you say i got to chill, even though i didnt say negative things towards you, if i offended you im sorry, just calm down , i just wont post a opinion on Pac for the rest of the day

In real life, you cant review 40 something fights to find a foundation to someones style, you can only make good judgement, and go on your intinct, you cant look back to see, well, this guy found this out, than the next guy worked on it, than the next guy finally got to the goal, unless its a team effort, which boxing is not, maybe cerdit Morales trainer for that. First you sort of agree with me that he helped lay down the foundation to beat Pac, but not to the fullest, now you are saying things that you cant lay a foundation and its only good judgment, instinct,make up your mind cause you were making pretty good points but you cant contradict yourself, you sound like a very passionate hardcore ZPuerto Rican fan.

Or Pacman not winning a fight since 2 years ago, Career is now on a downfall or you not knowing how to count and Marquez being a nobody despite havin 2 belts. PATHETIC!!! nyahahaha!

He dominated Barrera, thats better than a draw, so, Pacman > JMM. good post! side note: I dont know wut ta hell is wrong wit sum BS members here, cuz I can clearly see that IWatchBoxing got sum killa boxing knowledge. Too many haters here need to chill!

In real life, you cant review 40 something fights to find a foundation to someones style, you can only make good judgement, and go on your intinct, you cant look back to see, well, this guy found this out, than the next guy worked on it, than the next guy finally got to the goal, unless its a team effort, which boxing is not, maybe cerdit Morales trainer for that. Hi IWATCH how are you? Just checking in on boxingscene #1 poster!

Well, "supposely" he laid out a foundation, but guess what, he laid it out, he didnt do it to its fullest, thats called improvement, over something unfinished. But like you said, he still LAID IT OUT, not to the fullest but he still laid it out,You cant take credit off for that causethe fact is He Laid it Out and Pac hasnt won many meaningful rounds sincethe 4th round of the Marquez fight to Morales.

He dominated Barrera, thats better than a draw, so, Pacman > JMM. He didnt dominate Marquez and Marquez laid the foundation out of how to dominate Pac which Morales used as a master