Jimmy Wilde #4?
He was damn good but I don't know about 4th all time. Which great fighters did he meet at Bantamweight at that time?
I picked Wilde because of the fact that at 100 lbs he knocked out middleweights. Not to mention that his record of being unbeaten in his first 98 bouts will probably stand forever. In addition, he is arguably the hardest hitter P4P in history and amassed nearly 100 KO's. Furthermore, none other than Gene Tunney said Jimmy Wilde was the greatest fighter he ever saw. The guys record speaks for itself.
i have always been a fan of Duran, i would put him 4th. I think's roy's speed and power would have been too much for him.
That's probably about right. I dropped him down a few notches because of his cowardly "no mas" against Leonard (arguably top 10 himself). Also the fact that he hung around SOOOOOOOO far past his prime and fought dozens of palookas in embarrassing venues takes away from his overall legacy. Still, nobody can deny what he achieved.
I dont know about listing 10 guys. But I know my top 10 all time P4P list would begin with Marvin Hagler. The guy was a perfect A + fighter in every single category.
Except the left hand.
I dont know about listing 10 guys. But I know my top 10 all time P4P list would begin with Marvin Hagler. The guy was a perfect A + fighter in every single category.
i dont like p4p best in division better
HW ali needs no explanation alternate: tyson, he aint last long but i cant deny what i saw till 1990
LH archie moore should be on every p4p list alternate: spinks even tho holmes really beat him both times only light heavy to put up a pretty good fight gainst a heavy for main belt
M hagler born at 160 if he didnt fuck around in the begining would of beat sugar ray easy alternate: sugar ray leanord could transform like octumus prime
W sugar ray robinson best all round fighter by many alternate: henry armstrong had a heart that was twice the size it should have been allowed him to go non stop perpetual motion in his prime dont know if ray robinson could beat him
lW tie gans duran p4p most historians pick both theese dudes in the top 3 anyplace from 1 to 3
jones shoulda stay at middle
The thing with Roy is that he fought good fighters, but he was just so much better instead of giving him props, people would rather just say it was his level of comp. I beleive Floyd will have the same problem. Because he makes it look so easy in there. Roy beat B-hop and Toney, both Hall of fame fighters. And many more.
I agree that Roy was so good that he made his opposition look worse than they really were. But his opposition was still fairly weak. If you compare Roy's opposition to Robinson's, Greb's, Ali's, Armstrong's, or Charles', Roy's doesn't hold up. Those guys consistently fought some of the greatest fighters to ever live. Roy's claim to fame is a green Hopkins, a fat Toney, and John Ruiz. Don't get me wrong, Roy is a great fighter, one of the best of all-time. But he's not in the top 10.
Roy Jones is far from being the greatest fighter of all-time. His opposition is simply not up to par with the other greats. As for Jones vs. Robinson, maybe Jones would've won, but only because Ray was a natural welterweight while Jones was a natural super middleweight. In a p4p bout, Ray wins.
My top 10:
1. Ray Robinson
2. Harry Greb
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Roberto Duran
5. Sam Langford
6. Muhammad Ali
7. Willie Pep
8. Ray Leonard
9. Benny Leonard
10. Ezzard Charles
Harry Greb probably has the sickest record of all-time. The list of names on his record are mind-blowing.
The thing with Roy is that he fought good fighters, but he was just so much better instead of giving him props, people would rather just say it was his level of comp. I beleive Floyd will have the same problem. Because he makes it look so easy in there. Roy beat B-hop and Toney, both Hall of fame fighters. And many more.
Roy Jones is far from being the greatest fighter of all-time. His opposition is simply not up to par with the other greats. As for Jones vs. Robinson, maybe Jones would've won, but only because Ray was a natural welterweight while Jones was a natural super middleweight. In a p4p bout, Ray wins.
My top 10:
1. Ray Robinson
2. Harry Greb
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Roberto Duran
5. Sam Langford
6. Muhammad Ali
7. Willie Pep
8. Ray Leonard
9. Benny Leonard
10. Ezzard Charles
Harry Greb probably has the sickest record of all-time. The list of names on his record are mind-blowing.
Thanks i thought i would be bashed for my list. I just don't think Ray Could have beaten RJJ in his prime, i don't think anyone could. How can you hit what you can't see. before Tarver RJJ had only lost about 10 rounds in his career. thats crazy. I hope people don't try to call me a nuthugger because Roy isn't or has never been my favorite fighter, but you have to respect his skills. He beat B-Hop, in B-Hop's prime. easy.
Hey man I agree RJJ was unbeatable in his prime at any weight.
I personally never liked him either but gama recognize game.
True true, i wasnt bashing just looking for a reason.
You know it's crazy that Roy has always been mention in the top 3 P4P list ever, then he losses and completly drops out. Granted he had alot more fights but even Ray would lose, he dropped 19 fights and 6 draws.
Thanks i thought i would be bashed for my list. I just don't think Ray Could have beaten RJJ in his prime, i don't think anyone could. How can you hit what you can't see. before Tarver RJJ had only lost about 10 rounds in his career. thats crazy. I hope people don't try to call me a nuthugger because Roy isn't or has never been my favorite fighter, but you have to respect his skills. He beat B-Hop, in B-Hop's prime. easy.
True true, i wasnt bashing just looking for a reason.
I like your list my brother! :cool:
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Thanks i thought i would be bashed for my list. I just don't think Ray Could have beaten RJJ in his prime, i don't think anyone could. How can you hit what you can't see. before Tarver RJJ had only lost about 10 rounds in his career. thats crazy. I hope people don't try to call me a nuthugger because Roy isn't or has never been my favorite fighter, but you have to respect his skills. He beat B-Hop, in B-Hop's prime. easy.
1. Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Jimmy Wilde
5. Sam Langford
6. Joe Louis
7. Roberto Duran
8. Willie Pep
9. Benny Leonard
10. Harry Greb
Roy Jones Jr. is probably top 20 or so.
Jimmy Wilde #4?
He was damn good but I don't know about 4th all time. Which great fighters did he meet at Bantamweight at that time?
I cant dig into the 1920's to do this so since 1980 top 10 p4p
Marvin Hagler
Sugar Ray Leonard
Roberto Duran
Thomas Hearns
Julio Caesar Chavez
Oscar De La Hoya
Roy Jones Jr
Pernell Whitaker
Bernard Hopkins
Felix Trinidad
Floyd Mayweather Jr
I suck at P4P lists I really dont understand the judging criteria.