The new "no mas" = no big deal?

Mike Tyson.......is a FRONTRUNNER. I don't want to hear about how "brave" he was for hanging in & taking his beatings against Holyfield & Lewis. In those fights, he didn't quit outright, but you could see his reputed ferocity get cut in half as soon as he realized his foes were gonna fight back. This is a man who has been referred to as the "baddest man on the planet". Fact is, Holyfield is THE bad ass. Holyfield LOVES a war....wants it. Tyson wanted you so scared that you'd be unable to compete with him. He rarely worked for a victory, & NEVER came back after adversity. In my eyes, the sport has never had a bigger FRONTRUNNER. If Saturday night was indeed his last night.....it was a fitting end. Primary destroyers of Mike Tyson in his early career: Don King, All those Racist Black Muslim freaks, Robin Givins. Primary destroyers of Tyson in his late career. All those racist pretend Islam freakshows, Prozak, Zoloft, whatever anti-depressant they put him on.

Mike Tyson.......is a FRONTRUNNER. I don't want to hear about how "brave" he was for hanging in & taking his beatings against Holyfield & Lewis. In those fights, he didn't quit outright, but you could see his reputed ferocity get cut in half as soon as he realized his foes were gonna fight back. This is a man who has been referred to as the "baddest man on the planet". Fact is, Holyfield is THE bad ass. Holyfield LOVES a war....wants it. Tyson wanted you so scared that you'd be unable to compete with him. He rarely worked for a victory, & NEVER came back after adversity. In my eyes, the sport has never had a bigger FRONTRUNNER. If Saturday night was indeed his last night.....it was a fitting end.

Tyson quit Tszyu quit Freitas quit They are all quitters as far as I'm concerned

I remember someone ragging on Joe Frazier for not coming out for the 15th round against Ali, but now it's ok for Tyson to quit? :confused: Seems that if it's a fighter you like, it's ok for them to quit, if not people throw a fit. How much name calling would be going on if Holyfield quit against Larry Donald? Friggin people would be beside themselves. And give me a break about this not wanting to get hurt bullshit. Tyson took some shots (this is boxing by the way) but was far from being on the wrong end of a brutal beatdown. This wasn't the 14th round in 100 degree heat.Tyson was leading the fight for Christ's sake before he started to deliberately foul in the 6th. Tyson and his so called fans always talked about how Mike only needed one punch to finish a fight. Wweeellll? The only way mike doesn't have a punchers chance is if he quits like a punk. To answer the question as to why there was more uproar when Duran quit? Simple. Everyone knew that Duran had heart and wouldn't expect him to quit. Most folks knew Tyson had no heart and would expect him to QUIT. It just wasn't much of a surprise to see Tyson punk out.

I agree that it depends on the fight...I was shocked that Tszyu went 11 rounds to quit before the 12th when he didn't look in especially bad shape so that was the biggest shock and the worst out of the rash of recent quits..Tyson was really not all that surprising...he was frustrated and starting to behave in the way he did against Holyfield...looked like he almost ripped off McBride's arm...McBride should be happy that Tyson quit instead of freaking out, fucking McBride up in some way, and then getting DQ'd...but Tyson quitting isn't shocking..what is shocking for a Tyson fight these days?

lets not forget that julio cesar chavez beat ivan robinson with on arm that was a tough task

This is definitely a controversial subject, and no clear answer. Duran's reputation as a warrior combined with the mega fight stage provided the shock value in his quitting. Tszyu had a reputation as a warrior, and many were shocked he quit not only due to that rep, but also because he only had one round left. Tyson quitting is by far the least shocking and least significant. He basically quit vs. Williams last year already and if you paid for that fight, you got what you paid for with Mike Tyson. Freitas quiting vs. Corrales was much more shocking than Tyson but less than Tszyu. However, he was winning that fight until the knockdowns and at the first sign of trouble, he bailed. Alot of people equate that to Tyson, but Tyson didn't quit vs. Douglas, Holyfield in the first fight, or Lewis. Not only is it case-by-case for each fighter, but also as a subcategory, fight-by-fight for those fighters, Tyson being the epitome of this. Adbullaev quiting is a different story, he could not see and I don't blame him at all for not wanting to get KTFO with one eye when he has at least a half a career left. Of course the fighter has the right to quit, anyone in a free country has the right to quit their jobs, when you quit an office job you are letting down your employer; when you quit as a fighter during a fight you are letting down your fans. But it is your life and your body and your health, how can you argue with that? Legacy in the sport, that's one thing, but being able to live a life without brain damage or other impairment is quite another. No one on these boards had to go out and fight 3 minutes with Hatton after fighting your heart out for 33 minutes in a hostile environment. No one here had to fight Danny Williams with a blown-out knee. No one here had to fight a ferocious young light welterweight prospect with one eye. No one except those fighters. If they choose not to, why damn them? Let he who hasn't sinned cast the first stone. I agree that we can all be shocked and disappointed, but you cannot rip a man for quitting unless you can argue that there was no danger had he continued. It's a case-by-case basis, IMO. Tyson quitting was the worst, by far, of these recent incidents. He was just tired and didn't want it anymore. Well damn, alot of people paid to see it, don't take their money and quit! Tszyu was physically and mentally drained, and hurting a hell of a lot more than Tyson, and knew he couldn't get a decision in Manchester, and knew Hatton was walking through his right hand. The fans there actually loved that he quit, obviously. Had Hatton quit on his stool there he would have been destroyed by debris thrown by the fans. But that is an abberation. No one WANTED Tszyu to quit. Abdullaev knew he couldn't beat Cotto with one eye, who could possibly do that? Klitschko quitting vs. Byrd was bad, but with only one arm against an elite fighter, that isn't an easy decision to make. I dislike Vitali but I don't damn him forever as a quitter. There is the argument for making the corner "save" the fighter by quitting for him, but the fighter will always have the last say. Sorry this was so long. Hope SOMEONE read it.

yea i like klitschko too i wanna see him beat byrds ass i hate that guy he lost to jameel mccline

which klitschko u like manny p Vitali. I dont think any of the belt holders out there will beat him. I don't think any styles of top contenders will also bother him becuz of his size and how he uses it!

which klitschko u like manny p

quiting is OK, if yer old, and the fight is yer last fight and you got no chance to win and will get big pay day. At least to Tszyu and Tyson.

What if frankie campbell had quit against max baer we would look at himas a disgrace for quitting but instead he got killed. When is it worth quitting when its risking your life or risking your image.

No big deal, didn't Tyszu just quit last week?

yeah man it sucks pretty much specialy if the one who quits is your favorite. now, the cuestion is: where the warriors heart at? :dunno:

Its really not for all the fights that go on were somebody doesnt quit it really makes up for the ones were they do. I bet many people have stayed down for 10 counts were they just wanted to quit. By staying down noone says anything about them being quitters yet they quit the same as someone quitting after the round. Id rather see a fighter have an illustrious career with a quit thrown in than to have a fighter get seriously injured or die just because he didnt want to cloud his name by quitting. It is solely up to the fighter and as long as there isnt a seperate stat for quits than its just a knockout really not a big deal its part of the sport now and it always will be.