Where Im coming from on Cotto

DLT20y ago

Most of you have read my Cotto Overrated thread, now let me explain a littile more where Im coming from. "ABDIEL2K3" made some comments about the fight and most of you killed him for it but I actually think him and I see it mostly the same way. 1st of all Cotto got hit clean way too much and you guys can say his plan was to move(and it was) but not that much. I think Abby's power hurt him and scared him and he stayed on the move way more then he wanted to. I said the HBO commentators were on him to much because when Abby was doing well they would praise Cotto. I actually thought Abby won the 1st round and then Merchant says braggingly "Do you think Abby thinks this is the same Cotto he fought in the olympics" like Cotto killed him in the 1st or something. The fight was also in NY and everytime Cotto threw a combo the crowd went crazy but "ABDIEL2K3" was right. Most of the punches would get blocked and sometimes Cotto punches changed. He would get kind of slappy with them. I disagree with those who didnt agree with me on Cotto fighting like Joel did the first fight. He did. The only reason why it didnt look all the way the same was because Kid Diamond is better and faster then Abby so Cotto could move around and get off sometimes because he knew that Abby wouldnt throw then but if he had Kid Diamond's speed then Cotto wouldve threw even much less. Cotto didnt look good against Chop and I thought he looked worst tonight. Think about this. He had alot of problems with Abby and N'Dou. He doesnt fight well against pressure and his power is way overrated. He didnt look like he had that much power at all last night. You guys are acting like he beat the crap out of Abby and made him quit but if his eye wasnt messed up the fight wouldve easily went the distance. In the N'Dou fight I thought he almost lost and what did everyone say? They said if N'Dou had a littile more power or threw straighter punches then he wouldve beat Cotto or maybe KO him. Tonight was the exact opposite. If Abby had N'Dou's speed and could punch on the move then he wouldve beat Cotto and probally stopped him. The point is they didnt but the point is also that N'Dou is a journeymen and Abby was a older prospect who hadnt beat anyone. When Cotto steps up he will be fighting guys who can do things way better then these 2 and he isnt ready for that. Thats why I say he is overrated. He is a good prospect but he has way to much hype around him and if he looks a littile better then average then people make it sound like he was awesome. Last night he wasnt and even his hard core fans know even if they dont want to admit it. One thing I know is that his fans arent as cocky about him as they used to be and they can see some serious flaws in him also. At first they saw him as a guanantee and now they are not for sure. and what makes it even worst is that he cant stay at 140 forever and at 147 he will be just another fighter. This guy is not a elite prospect. PS- I also think that he isnt as high on his own self as he used to be also. He shouldve had a much better performance in Puerto Rico in front of his home fans and he shouldve had a much better performance in his secon home on NY and he didnt and his fans know it. Also you guys say it was smart for him to keep moving and not trade with Abby but what happened to Cotto being so much stronger and a harder puncher then every one? A few fights ago you guys wouldve said that no one could stand toe to toe with Cotto but now you say it is smart that he didnt trade with Abby? Overrated power and at 147 he will barley hurt guys

Comments (10)

PapiShasho

When Cotto beats.......Harris, Hatton, Mayweather, Gatti, Castillo, Judah, etc. Then I will give him all the credit in the world.... Harris is not a superstar but he is very tough Hatton just tko'd Tszyu... Mayweather....we all know his career... Gatti is a very tough opponent as well Castillo...also very tough and beat a lot of tough opponents Corrales....same as Castillo Judah....Undisputed Champ I'm not sayin all these guys are superstars but you got to beat one to be one... Not sayin they're all better than Cotto or nothin, but till Cotto doesnt fight one of these guys, he doesn't become GREAT till he beats one...I don't care how much potential he has or skills, it's about who he beats.. ahh, ok...i thought you meant he had to beat ALL of them to get credit... in that case we pretty much agree...cotto shows promise, but i wanna see him in with one of the big dogs...hatton already proved himself, now its cottos turn...

20y ago

Tha_Greatest6475

none of the guys you mentioned have beaten each other, either. so im guessing none of them get credit from you? When Cotto beats.......Harris, Hatton, Mayweather, Gatti, Castillo, Judah, etc. Then I will give him all the credit in the world.... Harris is not a superstar but he is very tough Hatton just tko'd Tszyu... Mayweather....we all know his career... Gatti is a very tough opponent as well Castillo...also very tough and beat a lot of tough opponents Corrales....same as Castillo Judah....Undisputed Champ I'm not sayin all these guys are superstars but you got to beat one to be one... Not sayin they're all better than Cotto or nothin, but till Cotto doesnt fight one of these guys, he doesn't become GREAT till he beats one...I don't care how much potential he has or skills, it's about who he beats..

20y ago

Manny_P

This is plain fuckin stoopid in my opinion! How did Cotto do a Csamayor on Abdulaev?! So fuckin stoopid! Cotto stopped Abdulaev..........Casamayor got lucky wit a draw! Cotto impressive.................Casamayor was not! Fuckin stoopid!

20y ago

PapiShasho

How about this? When Cotto beats.......Harris, Hatton, Mayweather, Gatti, Castillo, Judah, etc. Then I will give him all the credit in the world.... none of the guys you mentioned have beaten each other, either. so im guessing none of them get credit from you?

20y ago

MetalVomit

Dude, all Im talking about is hype. Plain and simple. I have nothing against Cotto. Im just saying that he is over hyped. If his name was joe blow and no one knew him then I would say that he is a solid fighter who could be dangerous in the future but they are acting like he is the next messiah and he clearly isnt that. My point is that everyone was saying a few fights ago that he will take over the division in a few fights and since then he still looks like he isnt ready for the big time. The problem is how long can he stay at 140 because if he cant then he will have to fight someone really good soon and he isnt ready. Let me ask you. Who do you think he could beat at 140 right now that is elite? Your wrong about me. 4 fights ago I said he would KO Harris. Since then his hype has gotten bigger but now for me I think Harris would KO him and expose him I dont see all that much hype around the guy. He's undefeated, and he's taken out every opponent he's had. I think he should rematch Corely before he goes for elite opponents, because that ref fucked Chop Chop over by stopping the fight (although Cotto was obviously on his way to overwhelming Corely).

20y ago

DLT

We know were you are coming from on Cotto DLT....You will never give him credit...You just don't like Cotto, plain and simple. Dude, all Im talking about is hype. Plain and simple. I have nothing against Cotto. Im just saying that he is over hyped. If his name was joe blow and no one knew him then I would say that he is a solid fighter who could be dangerous in the future but they are acting like he is the next messiah and he clearly isnt that. My point is that everyone was saying a few fights ago that he will take over the division in a few fights and since then he still looks like he isnt ready for the big time. The problem is how long can he stay at 140 because if he cant then he will have to fight someone really good soon and he isnt ready. Let me ask you. Who do you think he could beat at 140 right now that is elite? Your wrong about me. 4 fights ago I said he would KO Harris. Since then his hype has gotten bigger but now for me I think Harris would KO him and expose him

20y ago

Mech

so he has to beat all of them for some credit? lol,yeah,to hear some people tell it.

20y ago

dogtown123

i dont like cotto but he is looking good and he is on the rise just look at that eye and it tells the story

20y ago

Tha_Greatest6475

We know were you are coming from on Cotto DLT....You will never give him credit...You just don't like Cotto, plain and simple. How about this? When Cotto beats.......Harris, Hatton, Mayweather, Gatti, Castillo, Judah, etc. Then I will give him all the credit in the world....

20y ago

Mech

as for your first point,yeah the fans were pretty loud but thats to be expected its his crowd,right?i dont see what point youre trying to make there,and you make it sound like the whole hbo crew was nuthugging on cotto,emanuel clearly wasnt,jim lampley hardley said anything,and i dont know how much stock you want to put into that merchant said it wasnt the same fight as the olympics,it clearly wasnt dude. No they didnt fight alike,casa was far less inactive and that prob why they said he was running away,i wouldnt have said that tho myself,i just thought he was being far too conservative with his punches,it WAS losing him the fight,i dont think u can say that about cotto vs abby dude I KNOW YOU KNOW cotto fought a stupid fight against chop and that why he got caught,so why dont u bring that up?And N'dou gives everybody a hard time,who was it that knocked him down twice,witter? and the scores were still pretty close."When Cotto steps up he will be fighting guys who can do things way better then these 2 and he isnt ready for that." Well i guess you can say that,but thats just all theory,personaly i dont think weve seen cottos best yet,and It'll take a move up in class fighters to bring that out in him (but thats just theory too right?) "A few fights ago you guys wouldve said that no one could stand toe to toe with Cotto but now you say it is smart that he didnt trade with Abby?" So if he did trade toe to toe with abby instead of boxing him and beat him you would have given cotto credit?I doubt it.

20y ago