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u may have had 9000 men and i can guarantee u we had triple if not more across every single one of the D-Day beaches. US casualties on D-Day were roughly double that of the UK. I wish you people would read a history book, before typing irresponsible shit like this. And again, casualty figures don't tell the story of the sacrifice for any given nation. Why dwell on this shit? By D-Day (and this is coming from knowledgable historians not dicks like u) we were tightening our grip on Europe not the other way round. With russian advances in the East and the fact we had superior intelligence of their war tactics we where going to win the battle for europe. Oy. After all we had won the battle in the air around this time also (with i must add little help from the Americans). Christ, I just had to address this statement specifically....you're obviously clueless about the air war over Europe, so let me help you out a little, here....the US provided the ONLY LONG RANGE ESCORT FIGHTERS used in the air war over Europe against Germany. Without the P38, the P51 and the P47, the war could've dragged on for another 5 to 7 years before an invasion would've been possible without even more extensive losses than were suffered. The daylight bombing done by the US bombers, escorted by US fighters, broke the back of the Luftwaffe, and the German ground forces, supply and manufacturing, cottage industries, etc. and allowed the Allies a far easier time on the shores on D-day than might've otherwise been the case. Not to mention keeping Hitler too busy defending against bombers to continue mounting any meaningful bomber missions of his own over England again. Remember: US bombers, US escort deep into Germany. Keep in mind that the US didn't do it alone, but they did play a HUGE part in the defeat of the Luftwaffe, significantly greater than probably any other country. What i actually recall from my History lessons were that the Americans were reluctant to join the war and it took many attempts to get you into the war. Only when ur only ass is being attacked u help the war effort. Not for the fucking other 4-5 years before hand or watever. Pardon me for interrupting your tirade, but I wanted to remind you that Germany didn't attack Pearl Harbor....just thought you'd want to know that, friend. And yes, the US was reluctant to join the war at the time. Remember, WWI wasn't that long over at the time, and it was mainly the reluctance or failure of Britian and Europe to enforce the treaty of Versailles that allowed Germany to rebuild it's military strength. Just so you know, Churchill was ecstatic when Pearl Harbor was bombed, because he knew that with the help and resources of the US, the war would be won. And another thing: It wasn't "4 or 5 years beforehand or whatever". There were "Eagle Squadrons" fighting for England long before the japanese attacked Pearl. American pilots flying your Spitfires and Hurricanes on bomber intercept missions over your shores and cities to help keep the Germans off your beaches because they thought it was the right thing to do. And war between Britain (and France) and Germany was declared on 3 Sept, 1939, and the "Battle of Britain", entirely an air war, and fought with a number of American pilots, started in July of '40, and the US declared war on Japan and Germany after the bombing of Pearl, 12/7/41. By the math I learned in school, that doesn't = " 4 or 5 years or whatever". Every1 knows how dilluded the Americans are anyway. Across the world people realise that the Americans live a seperate life from the rest of the world and are unwiling to co-operatye in a number of issues which would benefit the world as a whole. So u carry on saying your stuff about the Americans won the war with 9000 men and ill continue to prove you wrong. Way to go, buddy....you've just managed to insult 300,000,000 people, including every race and religion on the planet. Tomorrow, you should try for an even billion. P.S. You know, it's not that you aren't grateful for any help given from other countries to defend Britain and recapture Europe that bugs me....there were so many soldiers involved from so many countries that giving credit to anything but "WWII Veterans" world-wide is absurd....what does piss me off, is the fucking revisionist history people like to spout off, like the above comment..."with i must add little help from the Americans"....that really chapps my ass. Read a fucking book, find out what really happened before running your mouth on a subject as important to the history of the world as WWII. This was the biggest conflict the world has ever seen, and probably the biggest it ever will see (anything bigger today would most likely result in total destruction of the planet), and you don't know a goddamned thing about it. How sad is that? P.P.S I appologize for getting a bit unhinged about this particular topic.

It's the other way around, or maybe they didn't teach you about a little sacrifice America made for Europe, called D-Day??? We cracked the Nazi grip on Western europe, sacrificing 9000 of our men in one day of war, for YOUR FREEDOM. IF IT WASNT FOR AMERICANS YOU'D BE SPEAKING GERMAN RIGHT NOW! Ok you might think that because u made 1 sacrifice (and i like ur use of the word "little" in that sentence cos thats exactly wat is was) that u decided the outcome of the war. u may have had 9000 men and i can guarantee u we had triple if not more across every single one of the D-Day beaches. By D-Day (and this is coming from knowledgable historians not dicks like u) we were tightening our grip on Europe not the other way round. With russian advances in the East and the fact we had superior intelligence of their war tactics we where going to win the battle for europe. After all we had won the battle in the air around this time also (with i must add little help from the Americans). What i actually recall from my History lessons were that the Americans were reluctant to join the war and it took many attempts to get you into the war. Only when ur only ass is being attacked u help the war effort. Not for the fucking other 4-5 years before hand or watever. Every1 knows how dilluded the Americans are anyway. Across the world people realise that the Americans live a seperate life from the rest of the world and are unwiling to co-operatye in a number of issues which would benefit the world as a whole. So u carry on saying your stuff about the Americans won the war with 9000 men and ill continue to prove you wrong. MAYBE WE WERE RELUCTANT WHEN THE WAR STARTED BUT IT WASN'T OUR HOME SOIL THAT WAS BEING TOOK OVER. YOU FUCKIN ASSHOLES ACT LIKE IF AMERICA WAS GETTING INVADED & IN DANGER THAT YOU WOULD SEND OVER THE WHOLE BRITISH ARMY. YOU WOULD DEFINITELY SEND OVER SOME TROOPS BUT OUR TROOPS WOULD OUTNUMBER YOUR TROOPS 20 FOLD. IT WAS YOUR COUNTRY NOT OURS. THE FACT IS THAT WITHOUT ALOT OF COUNTRIES WORKING TOGETHER HITLER MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN DEFEATED, BUT DON'T ACT LIKE WE WERE THE ONLY REASON THAT THE WAR GOT TO THAT POINT. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOUR SAYING WE DIDN'T HELP SOON ENOUGH. SHIT JUST BE HAPPY THAT WE HELPED & THE NAZIS WERE DEFEATED. YOU CAN TALK AS MUCH SHIT AS YOU WANT ABOUT AMERICA BUT BRITAIN IS RIGHT BY OUR SIDE BECAUSE THEY KNOW THE CONSEQUENCES OF BEING ON THE BAD SIDE OF THE WORLDS MOST POWERFUL COUNTRY. FACE IT IF ANYTHING EVER WENT SOUR BETWEEN US YOU GUYS WOULD BE SHITTIN YOUR PANTS OVER THERE.

Dont worry mate, ur just suffering from a severe case of Loser's syndrome. I bet you were one of the wankers who doubted Ricky before the fight and now a thread like this is created. Heres your answer. No the fight wasnt fixed. Ricky and the BRITISH crowd are too "legendary" for the former champion. WHAT THE FUCK IS "LEGENDARY" ABOUT HATTON. HE FOUGHT AN ALL-TIME GREAT IN TSZYU, BUT HE WAS NOT THE SAME TSZYU WE ALL KNOW. IT LOOKED LIKE HE HAD 1 FOOT IN RETIREMENT DURING THE WHOLE FIGHT. WHAT CORRALES HAS DONE RECENTLY IS "LEGENDARY". BEATING CASAMAYOR IN A REMATCH, THEN BEATING UNDEFEATED FREITAS & FOLLOWING THAT UP WITH AN ABSOLUTE BOXING CLASSIC AGAINST CASTILLO. IN THE LAST 2 YEARS CORRALES HAS BEAT BETTER FIGHTERS THAN HATTON EVER HAS OR WILL. NOW THAT IS LEGENDARY!!!!!!!!

I hate to stop someone having a go at Exig3 cos the guy is a prick and posts like an 8 year old child but... This crap is just wrong though! Something you Americans tend to forget is that you WERE BRITISH CITIZENS before the American revolution. You were British until you became traitors against your king because you didn't want to pay taxes! IF IT WASN'T FOR THE BRITISH YOU WOULDN'T FUCKING EXIST! And as for WW2 it constantly pisses brits off that americans say they saved our asses in that war! We fought on our own for THREE FUCKING YEARS before you decided to do what you should have done from the start, defend your oldest ally and fight FASCISM! Finally, you should be more worried than ever because the parallels between NAZI Germany in the 1930's and the good ol' US or A present day are damn close! Bush is a CUNT! ;) Looking forward to the reaction to that one! I don't think any one country alone could have defeated Germany in that war. That being said, the Brits weren't the only immigrants by a long shot. Yeah you fought on your own, but you only fought a piece of the German military. If it hadn't been for Hitlers' arrogance and blind confidence, the Germans may have overrun Britain before anyone else had a chance to do anything about it. That goes for any nation within striking distance of Germany during that period by the way, IMO.

The only person in that fight that got cheated was the fans. They deserved to see a 12th round war. They both have a punchers chance. It could have went either way. Me personally i think if anyone was gonna get knocked out it would have been tszyu. This was a good old fashion fight. They both held, they both landed low blows, and they both got away with it. So instead of complaining someone cheated and honor the decision. Tszyu quit cause he was a beaten man. I wished just for once people could give a fighter his due. My hats off to hatton, he was clearly a better fighter that night Uh, he was clearly the dirty fight, that I'll give ya. Kostya Tszyu would never, ever resort to dirty tatics unless he was forced to. If Ricky had been able to fight clean (and win that way, which he couldnt..hence the dirty fighting) then KT would have kept it clean too. I give props to KT for giving it right back to Hatton. As for him quitting, I totally understand it. I mean, Hatton had been allowed to fight that way all night, and dirty is not KT's style. He was so frustrated with the ref not doing his job and Hatton taking full advantage of it I dont blame him a bit for saying fuck it!!!

EDITED- i chuckled when i saw KT start rabbit punching back. thats why i like tszyu, he went into the fight clean, but when he saw hattons dirty tactics hitting behind the head and etc..tszyus like fuck it i can do that too,grabbed and stuck him behind the head many times as well..i like that mentality ;p I was furious, but laughed too when KT did that, and when he kinda/sorta pushed him down. I was yelling, etc. at the ref, the fighters and the whole damn world in general, so when KT started doing that I was like "yeah baby, you go...give him some of his own"..and of course I was asking Ricky "how you like that shit, punk"..man, was I pissed! Still am, come to think of it. :mad:

this years sucks for me, who ever wants to make some money bet on the other guy I pick to win, it seems like every fighter I am rooting for looses, I dont think it was fixed but Tzsyu should have gone all the way, hatton get props but that one low blow by him was un called for and he was holding Kostya like crazy, kinda like a yo-yo at times, hold his arm, throws him out while holding him and then hitting him HGE HIT HIM WITH A LOW BLOW COS KOSTYA HAD SMAKCED HIM EALRIER ALREADY (THE ONE PEOPLE ARE CALLING A KNOCKDOWN) THEN AGIAN IN THE 10TH. SO HATOTN LET HIM HAVE ONE BACK. THATS BOXING AND TIT FOR TAT. Zoo was rabbit punching in clinches a lot also. However Hatton was fighting dirty, he had to , its was part of his gameplan. I odnt have problems with a fight being dirty if both sides are doing it. I told a lot of people who were crapping on about Kostya being the bigger man that he wouldnt out muscle hatotn. and so it turned out. Nice ot be right for a change after my vitriolic Danny will beat vitali campaign made me look very stupid :o :D

Hollywood even makes movies to try and make u feel better about your war effort. Saving Private Ryan and all of those type of war movies. Especially that film based on the Enigma machine being captured by the Americans. That 1 made me laf.

It's the other way around, or maybe they didn't teach you about a little sacrifice America made for Europe, called D-Day??? We cracked the Nazi grip on Western europe, sacrificing 9000 of our men in one day of war, for YOUR FREEDOM. IF IT WASNT FOR AMERICANS YOU'D BE SPEAKING GERMAN RIGHT NOW! Ok you might think that because u made 1 sacrifice (and i like ur use of the word "little" in that sentence cos thats exactly wat is was) that u decided the outcome of the war. u may have had 9000 men and i can guarantee u we had triple if not more across every single one of the D-Day beaches. By D-Day (and this is coming from knowledgable historians not dicks like u) we were tightening our grip on Europe not the other way round. With russian advances in the East and the fact we had superior intelligence of their war tactics we where going to win the battle for europe. After all we had won the battle in the air around this time also (with i must add little help from the Americans). What i actually recall from my History lessons were that the Americans were reluctant to join the war and it took many attempts to get you into the war. Only when ur only ass is being attacked u help the war effort. Not for the fucking other 4-5 years before hand or watever. Every1 knows how dilluded the Americans are anyway. Across the world people realise that the Americans live a seperate life from the rest of the world and are unwiling to co-operatye in a number of issues which would benefit the world as a whole. So u carry on saying your stuff about the Americans won the war with 9000 men and ill continue to prove you wrong.

just stfu y cant u jus give hatton credit for beatin the number 1 man at light welterweight .

he hasa broken nose and jaw acocridng to sky news and has been pissing blood for 48 hrs according to the sun newspaper but is cleared of any serious injury thanksfully. cheers to those senible posters above giving hatotn credit, both men are class acts both in the ring and out of it.

It is kind of weird considering there was only 3 minutes left but who know's what goes on in a mans mind after 11 rounds of war? You would have thought he'd just come out a try and knock Ricky out though? I'm sure the hoopla at the end was TV influenced as Sky Sports don't get too many fights that big so probably wanted to take advantage... TV Contracts + Sports unfortunately = Shite! What was Tszyu's state after the fight? Did he need any medical attention? How much was he hurting?

no the fight wasnt ficxed kostya has bene in hospital pisisng blood with a broken nose and jaw. so if it was fixed theres fucking easier ways of doing it for fucks sake, what a bloody ridicuous idea after witnessing that fight. :rolleyes:

I think the worry for Hatton isn't his chin but his skin... I'm suprised Tszyu didn't cut him over 11 rounds and as Hatton fights more top opponents I'm sure he'll be more worried about TKO's than KO's..

Wouldn't surprise me if Kostya retired permanently, either. Hatton is a tough customer, and I'm not sure Tszyu would fare any better in a rematch. He might be able to learn something from this fight that would make the difference in a rematch, but then again, maybe not. Personally, if I were Kostya Tszyu, I'd retire and be done....maybe do a little commentating (his english is pretty good for a Russian), some public appearances, and just spend time with my wife and kiddies. Hell, he doesn't need the money anymore, and if he stops fighting now, before he takes some big beatings, he'll be able to grow old with some brains left in his skull, unlike some other fighters who tend to continue until they can't complete a sentence.

I think there were several factors that contributed to Tszyu not answering the bell, not the least among them being a lack of any friendly faces in the crowd. He was nearly boooo'd out of the arena when he walked to the ring. That can't make a guy feel good when he's about to start a 12 round war. Knowing how the crowd felt, and knowing how the judges were likely to score, you can't really blame the guy for not coming out. He knew he wasn't going to get a chance to land his big right, and he thought (as I did) that he was way behind on the cards. I was still shocked that a fighter who normally shows as much heart as Tszyu does allowed his corner to call the fight...he was losing, yeah but his heart wasn't in it...the crowd probably didn't help but he agreed to this fight and should have known that the crowd was largely going to favour Hatton. The crowd is no excuse to just give up..he only had three minutes to go. Some fighters get knocked down ten times in one round and keep on fighting, or have multiple painful injuries (broken hands, jaws, etc) and still fight...I think there are very few champs who, even if they were losing, would allow their corner to stop the fight...Tszyu looked relieved when his corner did so...Tszyu is great fighter but his age showed in that fight and in his lack of desire to answer the final bell...My bet is that he retires or maybe takes one more big money fight but not against Hatton...Hatton walked through Tszyu's punches...a lot of people had questioned Hatton's chin as well and it looked pretty sturdy in this fight...even his knockdown when he was facing McGee looked like a flash knockdown since he got up immediately and looked fine...I think too many people think a white guys can't take a punch (JK!!!!)...Jokes aside Hatton did great and Tszyu should really consider retirement

what a retarded ass post. ya say a fighter boxes another fighters head off, yet ya want a serious reply? you are a fukn morin.stupid ass.how is it a retarded post....i think it is to hard a question for your simple ass mind to comprehend...

Yeah , if you are cool it doesnt matter where you are from , Cool in universal .

The Scots are actaully Irish so not sure where that leaves us! I'm Cornish anyway so no change for me! :D

Stickman - We would exist but we'd all be Welsh!...... Welsh? Naw, you'd all be Scots. They'd have gotten bored and invaded the rest of the island probably around 350 or 400 AD, if the Romans hadn't gotten the jump on 'em :D