Revisiting Barrera vs Hamed

Regardless of who you were talking about the context of what you were saying was that Naz is very littile and Chico is so big that he would kill him. Lets just squash it but I want you to know where Im coming from. I dont care if someone disagree's with me until pigs fly but just dont disrespect me if I didnt do that to you. If we keep the respect then Im cool. You can say to me "are you insane or are you crazy, or no way", but once you started going over that line then it's too far. Sorry about that molestation thing. Thats not me and for me to say something like that means I was really pissed but theres no excuse because its not a funny topic All boxingscene members should take a moment to notice how myself and DLT handled our little scrap...we didn't exchange addresses or arrange a time for both of us to meat and to crush skulls upon meeting...we agreed to disagree whcih is completely lovely and is also something that should be done on a more regular basis...after all we are all family here at boxingscene right?

I dont know if you really followed what I was saying, you have taken me completely out of context countless times which hurts my feelings. I am glad you took the time to peek at my history on the boards...pretty impressive isn't it, just yesterday I was showing my mom all of the posts that I had done and she had commented on my wonderful body of work but like you she also commented on some of the negativity that Ooze out of my posts...Did you get the whole joke about Mike Arnoutis and Mike Tyson? You brought up Anchondo which was not very surprising, DLT I am a writer and when you miss the boat on what I have to say I just look stupid, is that really fair for me-no it is not fair, gosh. DLT When I have been outlcassed I know it and you certainly have shown me to be in another...well...I dont know what you have shown me to be but lets just say it is not good for me. Hey Pal I still owe you that beer so...ah forget it Im too embarrssed-talk to you later DLT... Regardless of who you were talking about the context of what you were saying was that Naz is very littile and Chico is so big that he would kill him. Lets just squash it but I want you to know where Im coming from. I dont care if someone disagree's with me until pigs fly but just dont disrespect me if I didnt do that to you. If we keep the respect then Im cool. You can say to me "are you insane or are you crazy, or no way", but once you started going over that line then it's too far. Sorry about that molestation thing. Thats not me and for me to say something like that means I was really pissed but theres no excuse because its not a funny topic

Oh Im sorry CRAP, did I hurt your feelings :( Boo fuckin Hoo. Pull your skirt down bitch. First of all littile girl I am not under 21. Second if you were writing to Burt Sugar at 10 then you were a weirdo who was probally frequently molested and just tried to get away. 3rd, I am sick of debating with your ass because you are clearly biased. You hate Naz and you are stuck on Tszyu's balls. Again this is about Chico at 130 clown. Is that like someone fighting a guy 6 divisions higher you idiot? He was 4 pounds bigger but you assume that Chico would just piss on him. How ignorant is that? No matter what you think happened in the Barrera fight, it wasnt a shutout and Naz was never really hurt. All those knock downs you mentioned were mostly because Naz was off balance and half of them were from him just touching the canvas with his gloves. Meanwhile Chico was dropped by Floyd 5 times at 130 and he doesnt even punch that hard but your going to tell me that a guy at 126 who alot of people say was the hardest puncher in boxing has no chance? Get a clue idiot. Ask anyone who punched harder between Naz at 126 and Floyd at 130 bitch. Im not even talking about pound for pound punching. If a guy got hit by Naz at 126 and Floyd at 130 then he would be hurt more by Naz and Floyd dropped Chico 1,2,3,4,5 times so why do you think Naz cant idiot. I mean thats what you say in defense. That if other guys can drop Naz then Chico can and I would easily admit that but when it's reverse you say it's no way possible that Naz can drop Chico? And then you throw out stupid shit like Tyson vs Achondo when Chico weighed just a few pounds more? Your a fuckin clown bitch and is not even worth debating with no it all. Im not even a Naz fan clown. I guess when all these guys move up 1 weight class and KO guys then it didnt really happened? Your a idiot. Come back when you take off your thong and lip stick bitch. Your going to kill a guy who lost a decision to a all time great who completely changed his style and boxed and stayed on the outside the whole fight. Alot of people had it a 1 point fight after 9 rounds but you dont give him any chance against a guy who is just 4 pounds higher? I dont know if you really followed what I was saying, you have taken me completely out of context countless times which hurts my feelings. I am glad you took the time to peek at my history on the boards...pretty impressive isn't it, just yesterday I was showing my mom all of the posts that I had done and she had commented on my wonderful body of work but like you she also commented on some of the negativity that Ooze out of my posts...Did you get the whole joke about Mike Arnoutis and Mike Tyson? You brought up Anchondo which was not very surprising, DLT I am a writer and when you miss the boat on what I have to say I just look stupid, is that really fair for me-no it is not fair, gosh. DLT When I have been outlcassed I know it and you certainly have shown me to be in another...well...I dont know what you have shown me to be but lets just say it is not good for me. Hey Pal I still owe you that beer so...ah forget it Im too embarrssed-talk to you later DLT...

I think the brit commentaters were brutally honest with there boy. Nobody liked Hamed in Britain by the time he fought Barrera, infact we bloody hated him. In his last fight in Britain, he was booed relentlessly! Only you Yanks liked him.

I just rewatched it today for the first time since it happened. I did it because I havent seen the Prince in so long and it's good to go back and watch old film to remember what guys look like. Here is what I noticed: MAB clearly won the fight but it wasnt a all out dominant performance like I remembered. I thought he killed the Prince but the Prince actually had some moments and won a few rounds. I thought he won like 4 rounds but I didnt all the way keep track. People made it seem like MAB dominated him but he really didnt that much. I noticed how the ultimate warrior Barrera showed Hamed the ultimate respect. He didnt want to brawl for nothing and stayed on the outside in kind of a punk way if you ask me. He was clearly out boxing the Prince but he didnt land that many hard shots. Most of the punches looked far worst because of the Prince's style of keeping his hands down and always being off balance. The Prince was also bigger then I remebered. I heard Foreman talking about how the Prince is keeping his hands down by his side the whole fight but Barrera still wont run in and try to hit him or catch him. If MAB fought Hamed like he fights most of the time then I think the Prince KO's him. Im a guy with a good eye and I can notice things in bad situations. Most would say that the Prince stinks and was exposed by MAB. However I came away thinking that the Prince if actually more talented then Barrera but just had a bad style. I think if he had a great trainer that would teach him to be more orthodox then he could be a top pound for pound guy and easily one of the best out there and maybe all time. I think the Prince would kill Pac Man and I love Chico but I actually think that he would KO Chico also This dude had mad talent and power. I forgot how good he was and I wasnt even a fan of his but just watching him in his worst fight I could see that this kid had tremendous talent and if Barrera didnt fight the way he never has then he wouldnt have won. He has never fought that way. That was around the time when Barrera turned into a boxer but even as a boxer he never showed anyone the respect he showed Hamed. He didnt over commit for nothing. It was kind of like Oscar vs Tito. Most thought Oscar was schooling him but I thought he was mostly running even in the early rounds. It's different if thats your style like Spinks or Sweet Pea but if you are a fighter like MAB and Oscar was then that is like running. Take the Tito and Hopkins fight. Hopkins boxed but he still managed to trade alot with Tito. Oscar didnt and neither did MAB unless he was really sure that Hamed couldnt land back. I wish I could see dude fight again. Boxing need guys with different personalites like that. How great would it be to see him hone his skills and fight Pac, Morales, Chico, Castillo, and others? well said and nice to see a refreshing point of view on Naseem rather than the player haters who occupy the forum.

the first couple of pages of this thread is precisly what i was gettin at where people say that Hamed lost more than Barrera won. But at the time i was arguing the same point i was up against bum lickers and they were blatently being ignorant of the fact that Naz only lost on a 12 round decision not a round 1 KO like what he done to every1 in his career. Oh yea btw if u have that fight could u send it to me pleeeease?? At last some1 hu is prepared to fight the cause for Naseem and then be willing to welcome him back into the ring. i have posted many times on his return but all i get is "shut up hes not coming back" from the fuk faces on this forum.

ouch "littile" girl, if you're gonna try to burn someone, at least get your spelling right, it'll make your argument more "valueble" you guys took up about 5 paragraphs with pointless burns that weren't even funny, at least make me laugh a "littile" bit It's not supposed to be funny when someone comes at you wrong. Like I said, I dont mind debating with someone or people disagreeing with me but dont come at me with personal disrespect because that is what women do, not real men. Thats why I responded to him that way and you. If you dont come at me wrong, then I wont come at you wrong

Shut up Bitch. Another Clown who thinks he is smarter then everyone else and his points make more sense. What makes your post more valueble then others littile girl ouch "littile" girl, if you're gonna try to burn someone, at least get your spelling right, it'll make your argument more "valueble" you guys took up about 5 paragraphs with pointless burns that weren't even funny, at least make me laugh a "littile" bit

I personally know that MY posts are better then everybody else's because I am never wrong. Before you all flame me due to your intense jealousy allow me to point out that this is also a great burden which none of you understand since you are always wrong. I sometimes have try to embelish my constant correctness with humor since it is not always the most exciting thing to be right all the time. If any of you need me to clear anything up for you, with my always rightness, then I will be glad to do so. So DLT and SacTown- don't be afraid to ask.

sadly, that WAS the best moment of the fight, Barrera must have been a Tito Santana fan growing up because that was a perfect face-buster :) seriously though, this thread should be entitled "DorkFest 2005" with all of the pointless bickering, at least when I argue rambunciously i have somewhat of a point Shut up Bitch. Another Clown who thinks he is smarter then everyone else and his points make more sense. What makes your post more valueble then others littile girl

Hamed had pretty leopard trunks... and a haircut that would make Lloyd from Dumb and Dumber jealous :)

hey do you guys remember when barerra slammed hammed into the ring post that was the best part of the fight sadly, that WAS the best moment of the fight, Barrera must have been a Tito Santana fan growing up because that was a perfect face-buster :) seriously though, this thread should be entitled "DorkFest 2005" with all of the pointless bickering, at least when I argue rambunciously i have somewhat of a point

Hamed had pretty leopard trunks...

Hey Scap I remember you anyway. You argue with alot of people on here. You know why? Because your a know it all who only values his own opinion and your always right and you dont know how to talk to people. You dont have to be a ass to debate. If you dont agree with what I say then it's cool but when you start downing others then thats when people get upset. Who made you God and your word Bond? I remember I mad a post before and eveyone was cool but you came out of no where on your very first post and say "Hey DLT listen the fuck up". What kind of shit is that? I didnt even say anything to you. Then you did the same on these post. Grow up dude You bitched about how the Chico-Castillo fight ended and you say that Castillo would win a rematch. You think Tszyu is God. Castillo is a similar fighter to Tszyu and weighs just as much at a lower weight class but you say Chico has no chance. Then you say Morales has no chance to beat Chico and will be destroyed. You asked me what has Naz done? What about Morales? He has done alot and is one weight class lower but he has no chance and Chico will destroy him? Your a joke. but Tszyu will easily destryo Chico when he is just one class higher because he is so much bigger? You make no sense clown and Im sick of argueing with you. Your like talking to a brick wall

hey do you guys remember when barerra slammed hammed into the ring post that was the best part of the fight

OWNED Every thing I just said to CRAP goes for you bitch. Stay in your place HO

Oh man DLT you are my idol, you have had a lot of debates on this site huh, fuck that is fabulous....everyone likes debating you because you have great intelect...hey Im sorry dude I did not realize who I was getting into it with and for that I am humbled and I apologize a ton. Now for another lesson shithead... First off quit bringing up Chop Chop ok, fuck chop chop...I know you educated me on the old "styles make fights" things (which I am greatful for because I had never heard of that saying until you taught it too me) but please quit bringing up Chop Chop Corley. Hey DLT if Zoo gets ko'd by Corrales and Corrales gets ko'd by Hamed who do you like in a Zoo vs. Prince matchup...let me guess dipshit, u-pickem, right? DLT, you said that Naz beat some very solid fighters...who...Paul Ingle was ok and taylor made for NAz...Tom Johnson was old, Kevin Kelley who used Naz like a yo yo was not even a big puncher and he ws way past his prime...Augie Sanchez had Naz in real trouble too bad he has the worst chin that this sport has ever seen (ask John Michael Johnson about Augie's chin), Bungu was way gone when they fought, Cesar Soto v. HAmed was about as bad as you can look against fodder...what was Naz's signature victory? What the fuck was it? So if Augie and Kelley can have Naz in serious trouble what the hell do you think a guy like Corrales would do? Im sorry DLT I forgot about the southpaw stance, your right there is no way that Corrales could touch him sorry I forgot... Start a thread DLT on HAmed vs. Corrales, all of your predictions come tru so when the poll is 99 to 1 against the Prince you will be a legend if it ever materialized right? Oh, I have to question your age a bit...anyone who truly knows the sport is not stupid enough to say that all of there predictions come true, or say Im always right...DLT-I won a hefty some on Rock v. Lewis 1 but I did not go parading around like a dumbshit calling my self the nosterdamis of boxing, I made a nice amount on Hopkins v. Tito when the majority thought that Tito would be too strong but yet again I kept humble because I know that for every time I am right you can count a time I am wrong as well. So saying your predictions are always on the mark makes me think that I could not even buy you a beer. DLT listen up...When I was 10 years old I had a subscription to Bert Sugar's Boxing Illustrated and every month I used to write a couple letters to the editor-back then it was basically a slow paced message board among us cult fans. At that point in my life I loved the sport just like you but I was young and stupid...well just like you. Once in a while a real pugilist of the sport would stomp on my argument and I would have to go back to the drawing board and figure what the fuck was so bad about my argument. Dlt, you need to take a look at your argument a little closer, Zoo gets Ko'd by Corrales and Corrales gets Ko'd by HAmed...Have you ever played Mike Tyson's punchout DLT? It should have migrated across the pond by now, right? Well here is hoping you have because if you ever make it too Mighty Mike (no not arnoutis, tyson DLT-jesus christ get on the same fucking page)anyways and you are able to last the first round Mike will say something too little mac that I am going to say to you now... DLT, go home and practice, your skills do not match mine! Oh, by the way don't believe too many people on this site when they say you have good knowledge of the sport and that they like debating with you, promise me you won't take that to heart ok bud, they like me have realized your age and are simply being nice. Take it easy DLT-you will now be forever my boy and make sure to PM me when you turn 21, I owe you a beer! Love your pal SCAP. Oh Im sorry CRAP, did I hurt your feelings :( Boo fuckin Hoo. Pull your skirt down bitch. First of all littile girl I am not under 21. Second if you were writing to Burt Sugar at 10 then you were a weirdo who was probally frequently molested and just tried to get away. 3rd, I am sick of debating with your ass because you are clearly biased. You hate Naz and you are stuck on Tszyu's balls. Again this is about Chico at 130 clown. Is that like someone fighting a guy 6 divisions higher you idiot? He was 4 pounds bigger but you assume that Chico would just piss on him. How ignorant is that? No matter what you think happened in the Barrera fight, it wasnt a shutout and Naz was never really hurt. All those knock downs you mentioned were mostly because Naz was off balance and half of them were from him just touching the canvas with his gloves. Meanwhile Chico was dropped by Floyd 5 times at 130 and he doesnt even punch that hard but your going to tell me that a guy at 126 who alot of people say was the hardest puncher in boxing has no chance? Get a clue idiot. Ask anyone who punched harder between Naz at 126 and Floyd at 130 bitch. Im not even talking about pound for pound punching. If a guy got hit by Naz at 126 and Floyd at 130 then he would be hurt more by Naz and Floyd dropped Chico 1,2,3,4,5 times so why do you think Naz cant idiot. I mean thats what you say in defense. That if other guys can drop Naz then Chico can and I would easily admit that but when it's reverse you say it's no way possible that Naz can drop Chico? And then you throw out stupid shit like Tyson vs Achondo when Chico weighed just a few pounds more? Your a fuckin clown bitch and is not even worth debating with no it all. Im not even a Naz fan clown. I guess when all these guys move up 1 weight class and KO guys then it didnt really happened? Your a idiot. Come back when you take off your thong and lip stick bitch. Your going to kill a guy who lost a decision to a all time great who completely changed his style and boxed and stayed on the outside the whole fight. Alot of people had it a 1 point fight after 9 rounds but you dont give him any chance against a guy who is just 4 pounds higher?

First of all clown, I have had debates with many people on this board and they all say they like debating with me because I have alot of boxing knowledge. Almost everything I say comes true. You think Im a idiot for saying that about Chico but what sense do you make? Naz beat some very solid fighters. You act like the weight is such a big differnce. Chico can carry weight a long ways and Chico can kill anyone that goes toe to toe with him. However if you are good at angles and are a southpaw who can throw alot of different punches then you can beat him. You act like you forget that no matter what people thought about Naz, they all said he was the hardest or top 3 hardest punchers in boxing. You act like a 130 pound Chico is 5 weight classes higher then a 126 Hamed. Hamed couldve moved up to 130 and he wouldve KO Chico. Chico fits better into his height at 135 and will probally be at his best at 147. Tszyu would go toe to toe with Chico and get KO but Chop Chop would box him and beat him probally easily. Frietas was dominating Chico until he tired. Was he so much better then Hamed? Dont debate with me because almost all my picks come right Oh man DLT you are my idol, you have had a lot of debates on this site huh, fuck that is fabulous....everyone likes debating you because you have great intelect...hey Im sorry dude I did not realize who I was getting into it with and for that I am humbled and I apologize a ton. Now for another lesson shithead... First off quit bringing up Chop Chop ok, fuck chop chop...I know you educated me on the old "styles make fights" things (which I am greatful for because I had never heard of that saying until you taught it too me) but please quit bringing up Chop Chop Corley. Hey DLT if Zoo gets ko'd by Corrales and Corrales gets ko'd by Hamed who do you like in a Zoo vs. Prince matchup...let me guess dipshit, u-pickem, right? DLT, you said that Naz beat some very solid fighters...who...Paul Ingle was ok and taylor made for NAz...Tom Johnson was old, Kevin Kelley who used Naz like a yo yo was not even a big puncher and he ws way past his prime...Augie Sanchez had Naz in real trouble too bad he has the worst chin that this sport has ever seen (ask John Michael Johnson about Augie's chin), Bungu was way gone when they fought, Cesar Soto v. HAmed was about as bad as you can look against fodder...what was Naz's signature victory? What the fuck was it? So if Augie and Kelley can have Naz in serious trouble what the hell do you think a guy like Corrales would do? Im sorry DLT I forgot about the southpaw stance, your right there is no way that Corrales could touch him sorry I forgot... Start a thread DLT on HAmed vs. Corrales, all of your predictions come tru so when the poll is 99 to 1 against the Prince you will be a legend if it ever materialized right? Oh, I have to question your age a bit...anyone who truly knows the sport is not stupid enough to say that all of there predictions come true, or say Im always right...DLT-I won a hefty some on Rock v. Lewis 1 but I did not go parading around like a dumbshit calling my self the nosterdamis of boxing, I made a nice amount on Hopkins v. Tito when the majority thought that Tito would be too strong but yet again I kept humble because I know that for every time I am right you can count a time I am wrong as well. So saying your predictions are always on the mark makes me think that I could not even buy you a beer. DLT listen up...When I was 10 years old I had a subscription to Bert Sugar's Boxing Illustrated and every month I used to write a couple letters to the editor-back then it was basically a slow paced message board among us cult fans. At that point in my life I loved the sport just like you but I was young and stupid...well just like you. Once in a while a real pugilist of the sport would stomp on my argument and I would have to go back to the drawing board and figure what the fuck was so bad about my argument. Dlt, you need to take a look at your argument a little closer, Zoo gets Ko'd by Corrales and Corrales gets Ko'd by HAmed...Have you ever played Mike Tyson's punchout DLT? It should have migrated across the pond by now, right? Well here is hoping you have because if you ever make it too Mighty Mike (no not arnoutis, tyson DLT-jesus christ get on the same fucking page)anyways and you are able to last the first round Mike will say something too little mac that I am going to say to you now... DLT, go home and practice, your skills do not match mine! Oh, by the way don't believe too many people on this site when they say you have good knowledge of the sport and that they like debating with you, promise me you won't take that to heart ok bud, they like me have realized your age and are simply being nice. Take it easy DLT-you will now be forever my boy and make sure to PM me when you turn 21, I owe you a beer! Love your pal SCAP.

So Chico would KO ZOO and get ko'd by Hamed who has never beaten top notch fighter in his career...quit saying styles make fights, trust me I understand that a lot more than you and don't you dare compare Floyd Mayweather and Prince that is unforgiveable... I don't mean to be too hard on you hear but what you are saying is pretty god damn stupid, DLT you are probably a fine guy but your boxing knowledge or instinct needs to be sharpened. Again Chico ko's Zoo but would get ko'd by Hamed, you just don't get it, wow you really just don't get it. Does anyone else agree with DLT??? Please if you do I would love to hear your reasoning....DLT no more comments from you, I want to see if there is anyone else that is braindead out there, you already proved it. Chico ko's Zoo and gets ko'd by Hamed....holy shit! First of all clown, I have had debates with many people on this board and they all say they like debating with me because I have alot of boxing knowledge. Almost everything I say comes true. You think Im a idiot for saying that about Chico but what sense do you make? Naz beat some very solid fighters. You act like the weight is such a big differnce. Chico can carry weight a long ways and Chico can kill anyone that goes toe to toe with him. However if you are good at angles and are a southpaw who can throw alot of different punches then you can beat him. You act like you forget that no matter what people thought about Naz, they all said he was the hardest or top 3 hardest punchers in boxing. You act like a 130 pound Chico is 5 weight classes higher then a 126 Hamed. Hamed couldve moved up to 130 and he wouldve KO Chico. Chico fits better into his height at 135 and will probally be at his best at 147. Tszyu would go toe to toe with Chico and get KO but Chop Chop would box him and beat him probally easily. Frietas was dominating Chico until he tired. Was he so much better then Hamed? Dont debate with me because almost all my picks come right

Joe Goosen was Chico's trainder in the 2nd Casamayor fight, not McGirt. Chico knew was going to jail just before the Mayweather fight and had no fire in him. Naz would have lost that fight with or without Ingle. Manny Stewart was not giving him bad advice at all. The clown got beat by a warrior. That's all there is to it. I wasnt talking about Chico. I was talking about Casamayor. If Goosen had stayed his trainer then he wouldve beat Chico the second time