With all the talk of Zab Judah wanting the big money fights with DLH & Mosley, the one danger fight for him would be a fight with hard punching, rough and tough Antonio Margarito. What do all you boxing fans think would be the outcome if Zab fights either of the three?
zab would beat de la hoya easily ( he's too old & isnt hungy enough anymore)
zab would beat mosley in a CLOSE ud
and i think zab could beat margarito if he trained really hard and didnt fuck around and show off!
Judah is too fast for Margarito. But Margarito would be able to make Judah a lil slower by the way he goes to the body. Judah could avoid Margaritos punches several times but one of them is going to land and knock him out maybe just cuz he has no chin AT ALL
I agree with you 100%
I think Margarito is the sleeper in the whole division. Zab has shown a bad tendancy to wilt and get totally off his game when he's caught with one good shot. Margarito (slow starter or not) would surely catch Zab eventually, whether its early enough to steal or end the fight is another matter, but he has a great chance.
Zab versus De La Hoya would be good. Oscar has been riding the laurels of his prime (inactive, years since he's ko'd anyone, last fight he was tooled). I think Zab could possibly outwork him like Shane did.
As far as Shane Mosley... well, I'll spare a tirade and just say I think Shane's been pretty well exposed. But it would be interesting in that I think both are on shaky mental ground regarding their recent fight streak of the past few years.
I have to disagree with alot of you. I think Zab would run circles around Dlh. Judah is very fast and has underated power he is starting to sit down on his punches. And his focus is there now. DLh would be busted up. Mosley the same thing is true but even more true, Mosley loves to throw wide punches and with someone like Judah that is all bad. Margarito i believe would bust Judah up bad but Judah would pull out a descion i think. ;)
For sho! I lost a 100 mill. on Castillo so I will be saving all the points for this fight, I will pray for it to happen. :boxing:
Me too, it would be a hell of a matchup and it would be things pretty interesting around here. I haven't done much of the point-betting stuff but I might start if this one happens.
damn 175 !!!!! judah may not have power like a light heavyweight but speed kills....its the punches u dont see that hurt you..and i think judah can box his way to victory if he plays it smart..maybe we could get a little bet going when they fight
For sho! I lost a 100 mill. on Castillo so I will be saving all the points for this fight, I will pray for it to happen. :boxing:
I wouldn't say he one of the hardest punchers around but I'd say he hits harder than Cintron. People forget he had Kostya reeling before Kostya's stonger punches (I'll admit it) had Zab on the run. He was also able to catch a dancing Spinks hard, which people don't seem to think was all that hard to do. Well, it was...he wasn't catch Spinks clean and he still managed to knock him down twice (one time it was counted as a slip).
My main argument is that Margarito is a notoriously slow starter and Zab has proven in several fights (see the one on Saturday, see the one against Kostya) that he can come out flying from the opening bell.
He is a slow starter but nothing that zab hits him with will knock him out and he gets stronger as the fight progreses Zabs only chance is to run.To tell the truth the first time ive ever seen both zab and spinx fight was on their rematch and ZI thought to myself, What the hell happened to the welter weight division? These are the top guys? Oscar is coming back and killing these guys with one hand. Zab got more respect from me by beating Rivera but in no way I think Zab can hang with Oscar unless Oscar is over the hill,then and only then would it be a more even fight.
We have seen what a big shot can do to Zab when he's cocky in the ring and all three fighter (especially DLH & Margarito)can make it a quick night if Judah comes in over confident. With that being said, Zab has shown he has grown up in the sense of becoming a smarter fighter (see the second Spinks fight for clarification). I don't see Zab taking any of the three lightly, but as much as I like Judah, I believe he may need one more fight to really asses his chances againist these three guys. If I had to pick right now, I give him the best chance to beat Mosley and the least chance to beat DLH.
You act as if Zab is one of the hardest punchers P4P. I think Cintron hits 2 times harder than Zab and a 175 pound Santos hits 5 times harder.
I wouldn't say he one of the hardest punchers around but I'd say he hits harder than Cintron. People forget he had Kostya reeling before Kostya's stonger punches (I'll admit it) had Zab on the run. He was also able to catch a dancing Spinks hard, which people don't seem to think was all that hard to do. Well, it was...he wasn't catch Spinks clean and he still managed to knock him down twice (one time it was counted as a slip).
My main argument is that Margarito is a notoriously slow starter and Zab has proven in several fights (see the one on Saturday, see the one against Kostya) that he can come out flying from the opening bell.
I agree, if him and Zab don't fight in July they probably never will, since I don't think Mosley's career is going to go on much longer and Zab will have bigger paydays ahead of him.
As for Margarito, I don't know where people are getting that he will be able to handle Zab's shots. He's a slow starter and not famous for a granite chin, so if Zab gets a few good shots in early he might go down like a ton of bricks in the early rounds. The thing that is going to hurt Zab is that he has his own trouble with strong punchers (see Kostya). But if he can dodge Margarito, which I believe he can, he just might finish this one up quick.
You act as if Zab is one of the hardest punchers P4P. I think Cintron hits 2 times harder than Zab and a 175 pound Santos hits 5 times harder.
Hey Zab Santos was weighing 175 pounds at the fight in PR.The fight was was close and was stopped cause of a cut caused by a headbutt ofcourse the decision went to Santos in his hometown.
Judah doesnt have the power to even move Margarito like a light heavy weight did and Margarito still came back and landed the better punches. The only way Zab wins is if runs like hell.
Where are people getting the idea that Margarito is so good at taking a shot? I'm more just asking at this point...maybe I've missed a fight where he showed this.
I agree, if him and Zab don't fight in July they probably never will, since I don't think Mosley's career is going to go on much longer and Zab will have bigger paydays ahead of him.
As for Margarito, I don't know where people are getting that he will be able to handle Zab's shots. He's a slow starter and not famous for a granite chin, so if Zab gets a few good shots in early he might go down like a ton of bricks in the early rounds. The thing that is going to hurt Zab is that he has his own trouble with strong punchers (see Kostya). But if he can dodge Margarito, which I believe he can, he just might finish this one up quick.
Yeah lets just hope that Judah is matched against good competition in July.
I think Sugar Shane is a shot fighter at this point.
after watching wright dominate tito and remembering how competitve shane was in the 2nd fight with wright.... i dont think shane is shot and will do well at 147....
I think Sugar Shane is a shot fighter at this point.
I agree, if him and Zab don't fight in July they probably never will, since I don't think Mosley's career is going to go on much longer and Zab will have bigger paydays ahead of him.
As for Margarito, I don't know where people are getting that he will be able to handle Zab's shots. He's a slow starter and not famous for a granite chin, so if Zab gets a few good shots in early he might go down like a ton of bricks in the early rounds. The thing that is going to hurt Zab is that he has his own trouble with strong punchers (see Kostya). But if he can dodge Margarito, which I believe he can, he just might finish this one up quick.
if santos could beat margarito..judah has a great shot at beating him
Hey Zab Santos was weighing 175 pounds at the fight in PR.The fight was was close and was stopped cause of a cut caused by a headbutt ofcourse the decision went to Santos in his hometown.
Judah doesnt have the power to even move Margarito like a light heavy weight did and Margarito still came back and landed the better punches. The only way Zab wins is if runs like hell.
Mosley - great great fight...Mosley in close decision
DLH - great fight...Judah in decision
Margarito - good fight Judah in decision
I think Sugar Shane is a shot fighter at this point.
i think shane and oscar would beat zab... not sure about margo, haven't seen him fight enough yet..... i think zab and floyd would be a great fight at 140, 147 may be too much for floyd....
Your right speed kills but lets say Judah is going 100 mph in a corvette and runs into Margarito that is driving an 18 wheeler. Margarito is as tough as they come and has the right style to beat Judah. I highly doubt Judah will stand and trade with him.It will be the classic Margarito chases Judah around the ring till he catches him and ko's him.
Good point, in fact the fight reminds me, style-wise, of Chavez-Taylor, the flash vs. the fury....
It really comes down to how well Zab avoids Antonio's big punches, we know that Zab will land the lighting left hand, and that Margarito should be able to stand up to everything Zab has to offer, so it's all about seeing how Judah's chin holds up vs. a destructive welterweight, if Zab takes the early rounds he could possibly throw it in cruise-control and dance thru rounds 8-12....any way you slice it, this would be the biggest welterweight fight since Oscar vs Tito
I'd take Zab vs. any of the 3, he'd be the first to KO Mosley, & would win razor-thin decisions vs. Oscar and Antonio
SPEED KILLS
Your right speed kills but lets say Judah is going 100 mph in a corvette and runs into Margarito that is driving an 18 wheeler. Margarito is as tough as they come and has the right style to beat Judah. I highly doubt Judah will stand and trade with him.It will be the classic Margarito chases Judah around the ring till he catches him and ko's him.