Sad days for Toney fans

This is a lazy thread...get a brain loser are you stalking me? dude i told you, it's not that serious.

Yes, I've seen EVERY fighter get tired in a 12 rd fight. There is no exception. And Toney been slowing down in his last few fights. how you figure that, he was very strong in his past 4 fights, Ruiz,Booker,Holyfield, And even after that war with Jirov, toney was still stong in the 12th round, he has allways been like that thats how he was able to beat Nunn.

Without Toney juiced up on roids? Sure Ruiz would have won. That's why the fight was even to round 6 before Toney's miracle stamina kept going and going despite his fat 230 lbs. And Ruiz even gave him a freebie in boxing to give a good show rather than use his very effective smothering style. Toney knew he would probably lose. That's why he cheated. Have you ever seen toney get tired in a fight?

We seem to jump all over todays boxers when any suspicion of drugs, not that I'm for or against. Remember Alexis versus Pryor, when Pryor's cornerman asked for "that other bottle of mix" in between rounds? I mean really they used to fight over 20plus and then some rounds of in your face boxing. For the Ruiz fans, Ruiz can not even be considered a true Champion. This guy, Ruiz, never sought to avenge Tua's devastating and record(19secs) breaking "First Round KO", is that the kind of Heavyweight Champion sentimental or not that you envision. Any other Heavyweight champion would go all-out to get his revenge. Toney was the first real test for ruiz.

winner by winning the fight or the other guy losing it ?? in no way was ruiz going to win that fight

http://www.boxingscene.com/media/data/500/8902Toney_Busted.bmphttp://www.boxingscene.com/media/data/500/8902lol1.gif i'm looking at clips, you do realize they show how Glen wasn't able to land anthing clean on tarver. Tarver was robbed in that fight. I like Glen he keeps the pressure on, but he lost that fight, everytime he came in he ate leather, punch stats show that.

I beleive Ruiz would beat Toney in a fair rematch and providing he fights his own fight rather than to excite the fans. Sure Toney has better talent, everyone knows that, but talent alone doesn't guarantee a win and you should know that. I'm saying if Toney should have schooled Ruiz than he should have fought fair. Now we'll never know for sure how it would have turned out. for once i agree with, If Ruiz would have fought his fight he may have had a better chance. I still don't think he could win, i remember in the 1st round the 1st time ruiz tried to hold, toney took 1 step back and tagged ruiz with an overhand right, so i think toney had a plan to counter that. But ruiz should have tried it any way because there is no way ruiz can sit back and try to out box toney. never know maybe we will see them go at later down the road.

This is not just a sad day for Toney fans but for boxing fans in general. Here we are getting excited with the addition of James Toney to the heavyweight division, contributing his trash talking character and his skills, and now we get hit by something like this. It's like we're back to square one, the progress that was made in the heavyweight division all comes to waste.

GOD DAMNIT! This sucks ass. Now we have to deal with John "No Talent" Ruiz hugging his way to victories again. He realized he couldn't win without doing that, so he's gonna go back to it. This SUCKS! I won't watch another HW fight for a long time, either.

winner by winning the fight or the other guy losing it ??

Ruiz the champ because he is the winner. Belt tells all. And quit leeching. Quit leeching ??

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Sorry, no sport rewards cheaters with a win. Toney didn't win anything but a fine and suspension. Ruiz the champ. lol he still won the fight wether or not you think he cheated.

Oh really? Where did his belt go? Back to huggy bear. Like I said though no excuses, at least from me anyway. Whats the need to make an excuse Toney won the fight.

If these allegations are true then it is truly a sad day for Toney fans like myself. A lot of people dislike Toney because he is a shit talker and his physical appearance isn’t the greatest. I on the other hand have always appreciated his boxing skills and dedication to the sport. James has superior skill, matched by only a few, and brings character to the sport. But if these charges are found to be true, Toney should be stripped of the Title and the title vacant. Ruiz and the # 3 contender should have a shot at it. Don’t get me wrong I hope and would like to believe that Toney wouldn’t knowingly do anything like this, but if he did then he should be punished. Another thing all the Ruiz fans out there need to be true to themselves and understand that with our without any enhancing drugs Ruiz couldn’t beat Toney on his best day. They should just be happy that Ruiz may have another shot at the title against someone may actually be able to beat. I hear you, hopfulley Toney can some how rebound from this.

Excuses excuses. Ruiz got his belt back because Toney cheated. End of story. Theres no excuses Toney still won the fight.

All the big great champ Ruiz had to do was hit him, steriods does NOTHING for your chin. Toneys reflexes are simply to fast for slow ass one jab hug Ruiz. Ruiz had 12 rounds and he simply got dominated in them.

WRONG. Anabolic steroids increase red cell count. That increases stamina through oxygen carrying efficiency. Show me one boxer or trainer who will say stamina isn't a huge factor in ANY fight. Toney dominated from start to finish. He was too quick and too smart for Ruiz plan and simple.

Lets say toney tests come back and he did not use any illegal substances do you think this will kind of take away from him becoming heavyweight champ? because some people will just associate him with being accoused of taking some illegal substances. i would hate to see something like this happen to him if he won fair are square.

I beleive Ruiz would beat Toney in a fair rematch and providing he fights his own fight rather than to excite the fans. Do you know how he excited the fans? BY LOSING. I personaly think the only reason Ruiz foguht that way was becasue he didn't feel Toney was a threat. How wrong he was. I HIGHLY doubt that he would have gave a crap about impressing the fans if he was fighting Kiltshcko. He would have been his old Huggy Bear self. Also just a quick question. Fans love great fighters no matter what so why did Ruiz have to change his style to excite the fans?