Jones comeback on the horizon

Roy's done. I'll be disappointed as hell if he insists on carrying on. If his ego is that bruised then I guess he should keep on til he has an ass to match it. I won't be giving a damn anymore, that's for sure.

All I'm saying was that when Jones was in worse shape, he seemed to do better than when he was in top shape. i don't agree...with anything you have added in this thread for that matter. i believe roy was not the same after the weight loss. can anyone concieve 25lbs muscle loss? you're never the same. you can probably get away with it if you were in your early twenties...but certainly not in your mid thirties. in the first fight roy saw some of the punches comming. the welt on his eye was abbrasions from his glove when he blocked tarver's shots. tarver was also tentative and gave roy a lot of respect. in the second fight. roy out pointed tarver in the first round. tarver got pissed. he waited for roy to employ his 'right and lead-move back while left hooking' move (which i think tarver ran through his head over and over during training) and countered...anyone would get knocked out with a perfectly timing shot like that. roy couldn't see it comming because he was too focused on unleashing his left because tarver hardly threw anything the rest of the round.

I would be happy to see him back in the ring, If he can get his body in shape and dont bull shit in training, he can beat Tarver or Johnson. In the Tarver 1 fight Jones was exhausted by the 6th or 7th round but still did enough to win. That just shows how bad Tarver really is. The 2nd fight Jones did look better than the 1st but the punch was perfect so you really cant say nothing about that. And the Johnson fight, yall seen that. Gun shy. If he woulda punched and moved a lil more it woulda been a easy UD. When Roy did throw a few punches they landed then he would just stop. So what Im saying if he really wants to do it he can, He just has to forget the KO losses and move on, I think the Tarver punch is what had him gun shy against Johnson. If he wants to regain his p4p status he cant be like that, he has to move on and whoop some ass Roy Jones style. :boxing:

The shot that landed on Jones in the second fight would have knocked anyone out. The angle was perfect and he was hit accurately in the chin. If this was Jones 1-3 years ago, he would have seen that punch coming, and would have not gotten hit. In the first fight, Jones got hit by many punches but not in the caliber of the KO punch he got from the 2nd fight. PERIOD. I do want to see Roy fight again. In his prime, he was unstoppable, and he was seldomly hit. As he got older, his reflexes and speed deteriorated, and the weight loss just made it severly worse. If he does make a comeback, he cannot rely on his reflexes anymore. He has to go back to the drawing board, and learn the fundamentals.

All I'm saying was that when Jones was in worse shape, he seemed to do better than when he was in top shape. I don't see how you can say that? In the 2nd fight, one punch ended it. It was a haymaker, and one of those shots that would have ended any fight. Its not like he took that same shot in the 1st fight, and then couldn't take it in the 2nd fight. It was a perfect shot.

When I said he did good in the first fight, I meant he did good at taking those shots Tarver was throwing at him. As far as Jabs saying Tarver never caught Roy with a good one in their 1st fight, that's just BS. What about that one that produced the swelling around his eye? thank you. A punch to your eye doesn't KO you like flush shots, as your throwing the same punch, on your chin do.... Put it this way- Had Tarver caught Roy in the first fight the same way he did the second....Roy gets dropped.

All I can say is that if you're trying to insinuate that Tarver landed a punch in the 1st fight that was even remotly close to the haymaker he landed in the 2nd fight, you crazy. Not only was that a PERFECT left hand Tarver landed in the 2nd fight, it landed when Jones was throwing and didn't see it coming. It was a perfect shot, under optimum circumstances. There was nothing even remotly close to that in the 1st fight. All I'm saying was that when Jones was in worse shape, he seemed to do better than when he was in top shape.

When I said he did good in the first fight, I meant he did good at taking those shots Tarver was throwing at him. As far as Jabs saying Tarver never caught Roy with a good one in their 1st fight, that's just BS. What about that one that produced the swelling around his eye? All I can say is that if you're trying to insinuate that Tarver landed a punch in the 1st fight that was even remotly close to the haymaker he landed in the 2nd fight, you crazy. Not only was that a PERFECT left hand Tarver landed in the 2nd fight, it landed when Jones was throwing and didn't see it coming. It was a perfect shot, under optimum circumstances. There was nothing even remotly close to that in the 1st fight.

I'm saying he took a dive, but what I want to understand is the whole muscle loss theory. the muscle loss theory is that jones was ruined when he lost all the muscle he had in order to make 175, i think that if you have problems making the weight once you are going to have trouble making that weight twice. it was just to hard on jones's body and combined with age, it really hurt him as a fighter

are you trying to imply that jones took a dive? i dont think he would ever do that but he does stand to gain a lot if he were to avenge his losses. imo jones was just past his prime when he fought both matches with tarver and the one he fought with johnson. I'm saying he took a dive, but what I want to understand is the whole muscle loss theory.

Yes, De La Hoya vs. Hopkins was a pretty good fight. Anwyay, I mean, how come he took those shots in the 1st Tarver fight reasonably well, and got knocked unconcious by only one shot in the 2nd fight? I mean during the first fight his body would have been in really bad shape, compared to the second fight, considering how he just lost the weight, he had a tooth ache, etc. Why is it that in the second Tarver fight, which was months later, allowing him to physically recover, did he collapse from one solid punch? A punch what a he seemed to see coming on top of that. are you trying to imply that jones took a dive? i dont think he would ever do that but he does stand to gain a lot if he were to avenge his losses. imo jones was just past his prime when he fought both matches with tarver and the one he fought with johnson.

This is pretty obvious stuff. Tarver didn't land the counter Haymaker in the 1st fight. In the 1st fight, Jones looked drained and dull. Tarver fought in spurts, and while he did land some good shots, Roy caught a lot on his gloves and saw them coming. In the 2nd fight, they both unloaded at the same time, and Tarver landed first with a money pucnh right to Jones chin that he didn't see coming. Tarver knocked Roy out with a flush shot in the 2nd fight, and that's all there was to it. You seem to be saying Roy looked great in the 1st fight, but that everyone's using the weight loss as an excuse for his KO loss in the 2nd fight. I don't see that at all. Jones looked dull and drained in a lackluster 1st fight, and got caught cold in the 2nd fight. That's all there is to it. When I said he did good in the first fight, I meant he did good at taking those shots Tarver was throwing at him. As far as Jabs saying Tarver never caught Roy with a good one in their 1st fight, that's just BS. What about that one that produced the swelling around his eye?

Yes, De La Hoya vs. Hopkins was a pretty good fight. Anwyay, I mean, how come he took those shots in the 1st Tarver fight reasonably well, and got knocked unconcious by only one shot in the 2nd fight? I mean during the first fight his body would have been in really bad shape, compared to the second fight, considering how he just lost the weight, he had a tooth ache, etc. Why is it that in the second Tarver fight, which was months later, allowing him to physically recover, did he collapse from one solid punch? A punch what a he seemed to see coming on top of that. This is pretty obvious stuff. Tarver didn't land the counter Haymaker in the 1st fight. In the 1st fight, Jones looked drained and dull. Tarver fought in spurts, and while he did land some good shots, Roy caught a lot on his gloves and saw them coming. In the 2nd fight, they both unloaded at the same time, and Tarver landed first with a money pucnh right to Jones chin that he didn't see coming. Tarver knocked Roy out with a flush shot in the 2nd fight, and that's all there was to it. You seem to be saying Roy looked great in the 1st fight, but that everyone's using the weight loss as an excuse for his KO loss in the 2nd fight. I don't see that at all. Jones looked dull and drained in a lackluster 1st fight, and got caught cold in the 2nd fight. That's all there is to it.

Yes, De La Hoya vs. Hopkins was a pretty good fight. Anwyay, I mean, how come he took those shots in the 1st Tarver fight reasonably well, and got knocked unconcious by only one shot in the 2nd fight? I mean during the first fight his body would have been in really bad shape, compared to the second fight, considering how he just lost the weight, he had a tooth ache, etc. Why is it that in the second Tarver fight, which was months later, allowing him to physically recover, did he collapse from one solid punch? A punch what a he seemed to see coming on top of that. Very simple.....he never was tagged in the first one like he was the second. Tarver stepped in & beat Roy the punch with an excellent shot..

I think the weight loss thing is only part of the reason for his misfortunes. I think not focusing on his training was the biggest problem. For the Glen Johnson fight, he didn't train for shit.

Don't forget about how old Tarver and Johnson are. I think the best case senario would be for Tarver to edge Johnson in a tough fight, and then have Roy target Tarver again. If Roy can get into great shape and have a great camp, I think he'd be cautious enough not to get hit with another BOOM punch, and has a good shot at outpointing Tarver. I don't like Johnson for him because that agressivness and pace just isn't good for a shop warn Jones.

You thought he looked good in the first tarver fight ? I forgot.....you thought Hopkins-DeLaHoya was a great fight. I forgot about your vision problem, Jackie. Yes, De La Hoya vs. Hopkins was a pretty good fight. Anwyay, I mean, how come he took those shots in the 1st Tarver fight reasonably well, and got knocked unconcious by only one shot in the 2nd fight? I mean during the first fight his body would have been in really bad shape, compared to the second fight, considering how he just lost the weight, he had a tooth ache, etc. Why is it that in the second Tarver fight, which was months later, allowing him to physically recover, did he collapse from one solid punch? A punch what a he seemed to see coming on top of that.

Maybe he can fight Michalczewski. About the whole muscle loss, weight loss thing. How come he did good in the first Tarver fight, but the second one, months later he got knocked out with one shot...the time where he was supposedly "on his day" he got caught with a great shot... theres no real explanation for that. but anyway if roy could comeback and beat one of them would be amazing but i dont know if he could do it. i would def watch though.....its too bad, he would have easily beaten either fighter if the fights had taken place 1-3 years earlier

Maybe he can fight Michalczewski. About the whole muscle loss, weight loss thing. How come he did good in the first Tarver fight, but the second one, months later he got knocked out with one shot...the time where he was supposedly "on his day" You thought he looked good in the first tarver fight ? I forgot.....you thought Hopkins-DeLaHoya was a great fight. I forgot about your vision problem, Jackie.

Maybe he can fight Michalczewski. About the whole muscle loss, weight loss thing. How come he did good in the first Tarver fight, but the second one, months later he got knocked out with one shot...the time where he was supposedly "on his day" What are you talking about bro? Did you see how few punches he threw in the 1st Tarver fight? He was noticably drained and dulled of his reflexes. There's no doubt that drop in weight when he had no body fat to lose took a toll on him.