Chris Byrd had his way with the Klitschkos

Obviously, if it was a SLIP, then why would it be seen as "what he meant"...you genius. Get with the program. I like the Klitschkos AND Roy. Think before you speak.What the fuck are you saying? I can't make anything out of it??? :Thinkingo What Program? The fuck are you talking about? And you're giving me advise to think before I speak? BWAHAHA

hmm As far as RJJ slipping and fucking up during his commentary and having Lampley correct him.. YES HE DID and all you RJJ lovers and Klitschko haters just admit it. There is no reason to argue and you look really stupid by saying.. "Well, what he actually meant is..." All of a sudden everyone is a philosopher. Obviously, if it was a SLIP, then why would it be seen as "what he meant"...you genius. Get with the program. I like the Klitschkos AND Roy. Think before you speak.

Good thought GREAT POST! Does anyone have a clip of the comment? More than just Roy saying what he said. A few seconds before, and then Lampley's reaction? I'm working on getting the fight, but it's not coming along very well..

Oh and speaking on Roy Jones respecting Toney: NO SHIT GENIUSES! Toney is the second guy to beat Ruiz as a former Middleweight. 1) What, RJJ is gonna say "Nahhh Toney is shit, any middleweight can do it"? That takes away from his accomplishment of beating the HW champ! No shit he's gonna say Toney is the shit! 2) Here have another look at Jones embarrassing Toney clip. Again, do you expect RJJ to say that he toyed with a shitty fighter? No, he will say that Toney is Great… and by saying that.. makes him (RJJ) a STAR! Good thought

As far as RJJ slipping and fucking up during his commentary and having Lampley correct him.. YES HE DID and all you RJJ lovers and Klitschko haters just admit it. :fu2: There is no reason to argue and you look really stupid by saying.. "Well, what he actually meant is..." All of a sudden everyone is a philosopher. :lame:

Oh and speaking on Roy Jones respecting Toney: NO SHIT GENIUSES! Toney is the second guy to beat Ruiz as a former Middleweight. 1) What, RJJ is gonna say "Nahhh Toney is shit, any middleweight can do it"? That takes away from his accomplishment of beating the HW champ! No shit he's gonna say Toney is the shit! 2) Here have another look at Jones embarrassing Toney clip. Again, do you expect RJJ to say that he toyed with a shitty fighter? No, he will say that Toney is Great… and by saying that.. makes him (RJJ) a STAR!

Judges in Germany, mind you. And for those that think "Oh, well the judge wasn't necessarily from Germany" it doesn't matter. Judges are appointed by the sanctioning bodies. The fight was Universum promoted. So the sanctioning body in question would've been paid by Universum. The Klitschkos were a huge draw. Byrd can't sell out in his home town, let alone years ago in Germany. Sanctioning bodies take a 3 percent cut of both fighters purses. Say Klitschkos made $10 million a piece to fight Byrd and Byrd made $500,000 to fight them. If the Klitschkos win, they stay marketable and its another 10 million payday and such for them, which means 3 percent of that 10 million keeps going to the sanctioning bodies. Or, they can get 3 percent of 500,000 to 1 million from Byrd, no matter who he fought. It was more lucurative for the sanctioning bodies to award the fights to the Klitsckos, even without actual bribery occuring. Bottom line, Byrd HAD to knock the Klitschkos out in order to win. Byrd knocking anybody out is kind of unlikely. Let alone super heavyweights like those guys. I'm not saying he did or didn't actually beat either of them, I"m just pointing this out, that even had he won every single round against both, he still would've been fucked on scorecards. You dont know what the fuck your talking about. Byrd fought Vitali and won 3 close rounds that could've went either way. If the judges were truly corrupt they would've gave each round to Vitali. Not to mention two of the judges were from the states.

Neurosis or whatever, you're just plain...being a Jones hater clearly. Byrd held his own against the Klitschkos despite the huge size difference and the probability that Byrd was drugged in Germany. Jones pointed this out. Wlad was thought to be the better of the brothers and yes he beat Byrd, but then the HBO agenda of shoving the Klitschkos down our throats was turned on its head when Wlad got his ass knocked out in 2 rounds by Sanders. Lucky for HBO, Wlad had a brother who had been majorly in Wlad's shadow. Come on, nobody gave a fuck really about Vitali until Wladimir lost. Then HBO flipped the script and said Vitali was the REAL contender. But Byrd already has the win over Vitali. Also, HBO wants Vitali vs. Rahman right now. And clearly they want Toney vs. Byrd. Toney just had his match. Byrd needs an opponent. Rahman will likely wait around for Vitali. The logical choice for the big opponent was the winner of Ruiz vs. Toney. So Jones was going in that direction. Also, I'm pretty confident that Jones just doesn't buy the Klitschko hype and thinks they're a joke, which, really, they are. Jones is also a visionary of sorts. He holds a win over Toney. Every good thing that happens to Toney also indirectly benefits Jones. And there's always the crazy possibility of a rematch. Imagine it. The two former middleweights that beat the heavyweight everyone hated get it on at heavyweight for a huge rematch. Shit like that is easy to sell. You really think Toney wouldn't beat Vitali? I'm not saying he'd demolish him, but only b/c Vitali is so huge. Toney would completely out manuever Vitali. Byrd might be slick, but he's not at the level of Toney in that regard. What do you define as "holding his own". If you mean gettin his ass beat for 12 rounds straight against Wlad than I agree. And getting outboxed by one armed Vitali, than I agree as well. Klitschko's being a hype and a joke? I don't think so bud, I guarantee you Jones would never step in the ring with either brother, and that goes for majority of the heavyweights out there.

YEah I caught that on Saturday too....Lampley had a look on his face like 'Wha the fuck?'

Hey, who am I to rain on your parade. Here you go, enjoy: ========================================= 2004 Dec 11 Danny Williams WBC Title defence W KO 8 Apr 24 Corrie Sanders Vacant WBC HW Title W TKO 8 2003 Dec 6 Kirk Johnson WBC HW T Eliminator W TKO 2 June 21 Lennox Lewis WBC/IBO HW Title L TKO 6 2002 Nov 23 Larry Donald WBA Int'l HW Title W TKO 10 Feb 8 Vaughn Bean WBA Int'l HW Title W TKO 11 2001 Dec 8 Ross Puritty WBA Int'l HW Title W TKO 11 Jan 27 Orlin Norris Vacant WBA Int'l HW T W KO 1 2000 Nov 25 Timo Hoffman Vacant European (EBU) Heavyweight Title W UD 12 Apr 1 Chris Byrd WBO Heavyweight Title L TKO 10 1999 Dec 11 Obed Sullivan WBO Heavyweight Title W TKO 10 Oct 9 Ed Mahone WBO Heavyweight Title W TKO 3 June 26 Herbie Hide WBO Heavyweight Title W KO 2 Feb 20 Ismael John Youla European (EBU) HW T W TKO 2 1998 Dec 5 Francesco Spinelli European (EBU) HW T W TKO 1 Oct 24 Mario Schlesser Vacant European (EBU) Heavyweight Title W TKO 2 Aug 11 Ricardo Kennedy W TKO 1 June 5 Jose Ribalta W TKO 2 May 2 Dicky Ryan Vacant WBO Intercontinental HW T W TKO 5 Apr 18 Julius Francis W TKO 2 Mar 20 Levi Billups W KO 2 Mar 7 Louis Monaco W KO 3 Jan 30 Alben Belinski W KO 2 Jan 17 Marcus Rhode W TKO 2 1997 Dec 20 Anthony Willis W KO 5 Nov 29 Herman Delgado W TKO 3 Nov 8 Gilberto Williamson W KO 6 Oct 4 Will Hinton W KO 2 June 14 Jimmy Haynes W KO 2 May 10 Cleveland Woods W KO 2 Apr 12 Derrick Roddy W TKO 2 Mar 8 Calvin Jones W KO 1 Feb 22 Troy Roberts W KO 2 Jan 26 Mike Acklie W KO 1 1996 Dec 21 Brian Sargent W TKO 2 Nov 30 Frantisek Sumina W TKO 1 Nov 16 Tony Bradham WBA/IBF Heavy Title W KO 2 ========================================= I put his losses in red, and noteworthy (I use that term loosely) wins in blue. A 97% rate over that opposition is mighty impressive indeed. This guy's a fucking joke. VK probably has more wins than this guy has pubic hairs, and he states his Opinions as though they are "fact" lol. Wonder how he would fare against this opposition?

I put his losses in red, and noteworthy (I use that term loosely) wins in blue. A 97% rate over that opposition is mighty impressive indeed. You already said which of Vitali's opponents were "noteworthy" in your opinion. You don't have to keep repeating yourself. I've already read, analyzed and come to a conclusion about your opinion. I've concluded that by your statements, your opinion isn't "worthy" of further consideration. In my opinion...that is. Have a nice day...... :)

Neurosis or whatever, you're just plain...being a Jones hater clearly. Byrd held his own against the Klitschkos despite the huge size difference and the probability that Byrd was drugged in Germany. Jones pointed this out. Wlad was thought to be the better of the brothers and yes he beat Byrd, but then the HBO agenda of shoving the Klitschkos down our throats was turned on its head when Wlad got his ass knocked out in 2 rounds by Sanders. Lucky for HBO, Wlad had a brother who had been majorly in Wlad's shadow. Come on, nobody gave a fuck really about Vitali until Wladimir lost. Then HBO flipped the script and said Vitali was the REAL contender. But Byrd already has the win over Vitali. Also, HBO wants Vitali vs. Rahman right now. And clearly they want Toney vs. Byrd. Toney just had his match. Byrd needs an opponent. Rahman will likely wait around for Vitali. The logical choice for the big opponent was the winner of Ruiz vs. Toney. So Jones was going in that direction. Also, I'm pretty confident that Jones just doesn't buy the Klitschko hype and thinks they're a joke, which, really, they are. Jones is also a visionary of sorts. He holds a win over Toney. Every good thing that happens to Toney also indirectly benefits Jones. And there's always the crazy possibility of a rematch. Imagine it. The two former middleweights that beat the heavyweight everyone hated get it on at heavyweight for a huge rematch. Shit like that is easy to sell. You really think Toney wouldn't beat Vitali? I'm not saying he'd demolish him, but only b/c Vitali is so huge. Toney would completely out manuever Vitali. Byrd might be slick, but he's not at the level of Toney in that regard. Byrd didn't hold his own against either fighter. He only had a couple of good moments in the Vitali fight, and was outboxed the entire Vlad fight, suffering multiple knockdowns, and looked like he'd been in a bad car accident afterwards. And he wasn't drugged. I've watched that fight several times....he looked fine, other than being beaten up. Even at the end of the fight and having a face swollen like a balloon, he didn't appear sluggish, slow, or show any signs of dimentia, etc. that one would expect from a drugged fighter. He didn't even seem that worn out...just beat the fuck up. Obviously, you've never watched either fight...... or you're gay and have a major crush on Chris Byrd. Hoping for the former.

Judges in Germany, mind you. And for those that think "Oh, well the judge wasn't necessarily from Germany" it doesn't matter. Judges are appointed by the sanctioning bodies. The fight was Universum promoted. So the sanctioning body in question would've been paid by Universum. The Klitschkos were a huge draw. Byrd can't sell out in his home town, let alone years ago in Germany. Sanctioning bodies take a 3 percent cut of both fighters purses. Say Klitschkos made $10 million a piece to fight Byrd and Byrd made $500,000 to fight them. If the Klitschkos win, they stay marketable and its another 10 million payday and such for them, which means 3 percent of that 10 million keeps going to the sanctioning bodies. Or, they can get 3 percent of 500,000 to 1 million from Byrd, no matter who he fought. It was more lucurative for the sanctioning bodies to award the fights to the Klitsckos, even without actual bribery occuring. Bottom line, Byrd HAD to knock the Klitschkos out in order to win. Byrd knocking anybody out is kind of unlikely. Let alone super heavyweights like those guys. I'm not saying he did or didn't actually beat either of them, I"m just pointing this out, that even had he won every single round against both, he still would've been fucked on scorecards. Well at least this post was funny.

Just because you don't like him, doesn't mean I can't enjoy his 97% KO ratio Hey, who am I to rain on your parade. Here you go, enjoy: ========================================= 2004 Dec 11 Danny Williams WBC Title defence W KO 8 Apr 24 Corrie Sanders Vacant WBC HW Title W TKO 8 2003 Dec 6 Kirk Johnson WBC HW T Eliminator W TKO 2 June 21 Lennox Lewis WBC/IBO HW Title L TKO 6 2002 Nov 23 Larry Donald WBA Int'l HW Title W TKO 10 Feb 8 Vaughn Bean WBA Int'l HW Title W TKO 11 2001 Dec 8 Ross Puritty WBA Int'l HW Title W TKO 11 Jan 27 Orlin Norris Vacant WBA Int'l HW T W KO 1 2000 Nov 25 Timo Hoffman Vacant European (EBU) Heavyweight Title W UD 12 Apr 1 Chris Byrd WBO Heavyweight Title L TKO 10 1999 Dec 11 Obed Sullivan WBO Heavyweight Title W TKO 10 Oct 9 Ed Mahone WBO Heavyweight Title W TKO 3 June 26 Herbie Hide WBO Heavyweight Title W KO 2 Feb 20 Ismael John Youla European (EBU) HW T W TKO 2 1998 Dec 5 Francesco Spinelli European (EBU) HW T W TKO 1 Oct 24 Mario Schlesser Vacant European (EBU) Heavyweight Title W TKO 2 Aug 11 Ricardo Kennedy W TKO 1 June 5 Jose Ribalta W TKO 2 May 2 Dicky Ryan Vacant WBO Intercontinental HW T W TKO 5 Apr 18 Julius Francis W TKO 2 Mar 20 Levi Billups W KO 2 Mar 7 Louis Monaco W KO 3 Jan 30 Alben Belinski W KO 2 Jan 17 Marcus Rhode W TKO 2 1997 Dec 20 Anthony Willis W KO 5 Nov 29 Herman Delgado W TKO 3 Nov 8 Gilberto Williamson W KO 6 Oct 4 Will Hinton W KO 2 June 14 Jimmy Haynes W KO 2 May 10 Cleveland Woods W KO 2 Apr 12 Derrick Roddy W TKO 2 Mar 8 Calvin Jones W KO 1 Feb 22 Troy Roberts W KO 2 Jan 26 Mike Acklie W KO 1 1996 Dec 21 Brian Sargent W TKO 2 Nov 30 Frantisek Sumina W TKO 1 Nov 16 Tony Bradham WBA/IBF Heavy Title W KO 2 ========================================= I put his losses in red, and noteworthy (I use that term loosely) wins in blue. A 97% rate over that opposition is mighty impressive indeed.

That's like saying he didn't win right up until he LOST. Who cares if he's never been behind on the score cards. Look at who he's fought for the most part. LOOK at his resume before he fought Lewis. Unfortunatly FIGHTING is part of the game. Its wins and losses, and there are too many people out there that Praise Vitali as a heroic undisputed champion when the fact is he's just one of three unproven title holders in one of the weakest points in the history of the Heavyweight division. You can sugar coat and twist the wording anyway you'd like, that fact remains: Vitali Klitschko has LOST the two biggest fights of his career agaisnt the two biggest names he's fought: Chris Byrd and Lennox Lewis. Despite your unaproval, or what you thinkwould happen if Vitali fights this guy or the other guy, his biggest most noteworthy wins are against Larry Donald, a 260lb Kirk Johnson, and a 39 year old out of shape Corrie Sanders. That validates NONE of the overflowing acclaim that floods this forum. Vitali Klitschko is an large unproven Heavyweight atop a VERY WEAK heavyweight division. ???????............HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHA.........! Well.......This is your opinion and who am I to question it ? ............Most of what you said is opinion and not fact. I for one, never denied he lost. ......ENJOY.......!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA! And you will find something wrong with eveyone he fights from now on as well. Lets see.... Byrd has no power, Ruiz lost to two middleweights, Toney is to short and fat, Barrett is a nobody, .........Old ...........Fat..........no power.......... no skill............. drugged..........a nobody.........and so on! Just because you don't like him, doesn't mean I can't enjoy his 97% KO ratio

Vitali has never been behind on the score cards at the stoppage or at any point of any of his fights including his "losses" to Byrd and Lewis. That's like saying he was winning right up until he LOST. Who cares if he's never been behind on the score cards. Look at who he's fought for the most part. LOOK at his resume before he fought Lewis. Vitali has outboxed every opponent he has ever faced. Vitali has always left the ring feeling better than his opponent. Unfortunatly FIGHTING is part of the game. And when you're in discomfort and have to quit, or when your face has been split open to the point where long term damage could come into play, you LOSE. Its wins and losses, and there are too many people out there that Praise Vitali as a heroic undisputed champion when the fact is he's just one of three unproven title holders in one of the weakest points in the history of the Heavyweight division. You can sugar coat and twist the wording anyway you'd like, that fact remains: Vitali Klitschko has LOST the two biggest fights of his career agaisnt the two biggest names he's fought: Chris Byrd and Lennox Lewis. Despite your unaproval, or what you think would happen if Vitali fights this guy or the other guy, his biggest most noteworthy wins are against Larry Donald, a 260lb Kirk Johnson, and a 39 year old out of shape Corrie Sanders. That validates NONE of the overflowing acclaim that floods this forum. Vitali Klitschko is a large unproven Heavyweight atop a VERY WEAK heavyweight division.

Vitali has never been behind on the score cards at the stoppage or at any point of any of his fights including his "losses" to Byrd and Lewis. That's what I look for in a champion. No other top HW can say that. Not Byrd....... not even Lewis.

Vitali DID NOT beat Byrd. He gave up his title because he was in discomfort. Thats a resounding LOSS. Evander Holyfield suffered the same injury in the 1st round, and fought 11 more rounds in a losing effort. Vitali LOST that fight to Byrd. Why are there so many of you that can't come to terms with that? He LOST to Byrd and he LOST to Lewis. Those were the two biggest fights of his career, and he LOST them both. After that, the biggest actual wins he has are agaisnt Larry Donald and Kirk Johnson. Vitali has outboxed every opponent he has ever faced. Vitali has always left the ring feeling better than his opponent. None of Vitali's opponents have ever had the courage to rematch Vitali. I think that means something very great!

Torino, thank you for writing the words you wrote. I read them, and it tells me that Vitali truly beat Byrd. I wish he did not get hurt. If Vitali did not get hurt, he would have a perfect record today. Vitali will be very difficult to beat forever! Vitali is the best champion! Thank you again Torino! Vitali DID NOT beat Byrd. He gave up his title because he was in discomfort. Thats a resounding LOSS. Evander Holyfield suffered the same injury in the 1st round, and fought 11 more rounds in a losing effort. Vitali LOST that fight to Byrd. Why are there so many of you that can't come to terms with that? He LOST to Byrd and he LOST to Lewis. Those were the two biggest fights of his career, and he LOST them both. After that, the biggest actual wins he has are agaisnt Larry Donald and Kirk Johnson.

Torino, thank you for writing the words you wrote. I read them, and it tells me that Vitali truly beat Byrd. I wish he did not get hurt. If Vitali did not get hurt, he would have a perfect record today. Vitali will be very difficult to beat forever! Vitali is the best champion! Thank you again Torino!