Who beat Ruiz more convincingly? Jones or Toney?

This is a non-question when Ruiz was ROBBED in both fights! yeah i swear that's true. ruiz is the greatest to ever don a pair of gloves. it's just that nobody realises it yet

Jones completely schooled Ruiz. Toney barely squeaked by with a win... barely.

hmm i would say toney because jones only using his speed and didnt dare to stand in front of him. i think ruiz would knock jones out he if he stand in front of ruiz and trade punches. toney on the other could probably also use his speed hit-and-run but he didnt. he proved a lot. Jones stood toe-to-toe more than once with Ruiz, and he did well when he did. Watch the tape again. Ruiz didn't faze Jones any more than he did Toney, and Ruiz was in shape and fresh when he fought roy. Toney COULD NOT hit and run. That has never been his style and it never will be. It's not as if he had that option. His only option was to go toe-to-toe flat-footed.

The question is who beat Ruiz more convincingly, not who stood and traded with him more. Jones won more rounds and was barely touched. He definitely beat Ruiz more convincingly. Toney won and won big but it was not like he completely dominated him like Jones did.

This is a non-question when Ruiz was ROBBED in both fights! robbed? :confused:. i would say toney because jones only using his speed and didnt dare to stand in front of him. i think ruiz would knock jones out he if he stand in front of ruiz and trade punches. toney on the other could probably also use his speed hit-and-run but he didnt. he proved a lot.

hmm Roy's win was way more impressive, and anyone who thinks otherwise is lying to themselves, just likes Toney more, or needs to watch the Jones-Ruiz fight again. Roy won nearly every round. For the first half of the fight, it seemed as though Toney was going to lose. Roy hurt Ruiz just as much as Toney ever did. Watch the fight again. It's just plain as day...Toney did NOT beat up Ruiz more than Jones did. Toney and Ruiz were both overweight and out of shape. If Jones had fought the version of Ruiz that Toney did, he probably would have stopped him.

I think that if the fight went 15 rounds that possibly Toney would have taken ruiz out. I don't think that Jones could have taken Ruiz out given 15 rounds, so in that way I give it to Toney but In the 12 rounds that were fought Jones was more impressive.

jones beat him more covincingly because ruiz could not even touch jones because of the speed . but toney beat up ruiz far worst than jones did . he had bruises all over his ribcage area from body shots and his face was abit of a mess too he ate a lot of counter right hands .

I am of the opinion Jones victory was more total, but Toney impressed me a lot more. He took some good shots from Ruiz, espically to the body, and it didn't even phase him. He fought the kind of fight that Ruiz could of easily won but didn't. Toney stood in from of him and traded on a regular basis. Jones won every round against Ruiz, fighting him in the only way he could. Toney gave Ruiz a chance to win and made him look silly in the process.

I'm going to argue that taken in context though, Toney's win over Ruiz is more impressive. Prior to the RJJ fight, Ruiz was even less respected going into it than he was going into last night. He'd just come off the three fight series with Holyfield ( the last of which was a draw that most felt he lost... ) & the dusultory DQ over Kirk Johnson. Not many people gave him a chance against the physical gifts & superior skills of Jones. And with good reason as we saw. But, RJJ had a full 10 - 12 week training camp to prepare for Ruiz, so he was in optimun shape for his challenge. On the other hand, after the Jones loss, Ruiz enjoyed what were probably the three finest victories of his career over the trio of Rachman, Oquendo & Golota. Yes, all of them were terrible fights, but Rachman was a very dangerous boxer-puncher & former undisputed heavyweight champion. The same guy that ( for some reason ) so many people are so high on now as a challenger to Vitali Klitschko. Ruiz beat him convincingly & hurt him two or three times in the process. Then came Fres Oquendo, who was coming off what should have been a decision win over Chris Byrd were it not for three miopic judges. Ruiz knocked him out. Finally there was the nod over Andrew Golota, ANOTHER fighter who had just bested Chris Byrd in a fight but failed to get the proper decision. Ruiz one them all ugly, but they were solid "W's" nevertheless. And as a result, I think that he had a LOT more backers for this fight than he did against Jones.

I say Toney, Toney did alot more damage to Ruiz than Jones, hurt him on several occasions and was landing the big right hand counter consistantly and knocked Ruiz down officially. Even though the descision was wider in favor of Jones, Toney hurt Ruiz more than Jones did. Jones did not give him big welts on the side of his body, and did you see the look on Ruiz's face he had the look of a guy that was totally discouraged with no hope of winning.

Yeah Jones thoroughly dominated Ruiz. I think John landed one decent punch, a right hand that clipped Jone's face, in the entire fight.

Roy Jones without a doubt .

I don't understand the need to even ask. Jones won 11 rounds to 1. Toney won thoroughly, but not as near to a shut out as Jones.

I'd have to say Jones... Boxing is about hitting and not getting hit...

I dont think he would fight Brewster. They are suppose to be friends

I think he should fight Brewster next just to pick up another belt.

actually I believe brewster is weaker than ruiz

This does of course seem to invalidate Jones's win slightly. Well, maybe "invalidate" is a bit of a strong word for it, but as Jim Lampley said, there's only been three former middleweights in history that have beaten heavyweights... and two of them were against John Ruiz. Good point. Ruiz was one of the weakest champs ever and this must be realized when contextualizing Toney`s and Jones` achievement. I fear Ruiz will be back fighting a Don King heavy for a title but at least Toney sorted him out tonight!