It's makin me sick
some people just over rate him BIG TIME
people under rate him as well
just cuz he had a undefeated record dont mean he was the best, I'm sure Louis would've been undefeated to if he fought the same opposition as him...
It aint about how many times u dont lose, it's about how many times u lose, bounce right back up and learn from it and come even stronger...
Otherwise Louis knocks Marciano out..
The great thing about Marciano's record is not who he fought, but that he kept it together and was prepared for every fight. Are Rahman and McCall as goog of fighters as Lewis? No, but Lewis couldn't keep his shit together for each and EVERY fight.
As far as Joe Louis, he fought his share of tomato cans. His first loss was to Max Schmeling. I don't recall seeing him on anyones top ten all time greats list.
Ezzard Charles, Jersey Joe Walcott and Archie Moore were all accomplished, slick, TOUGH fighters. If you didn't have your mind and game right they would beat you easy. They certainly are better than Rahman and McCall.
That is a great comment.
Yes Marciano is one of the greatest heavyweights
actually I would put him at #3.
#1. Louis
#2. Ali
#3. Marciano
but I don't put him there cuz he was undefeated....so that means u lose one fight and your done? NO!
I hate that mentality, you lose, get back up and beat the guy who beat u...
Some people care to much about records and it sorta gets annoying
Roberto Duran had 16 losses...should he back in the bottom of the list now? No...
Ike Williams had 25 losses...
Emile Griffith had a lot of losses
Sugar Ray Robinson had 19 losses, should he be on the bottom of the list to now?
NO!
It's makin me sick
some people just over rate him BIG TIME
people under rate him as well
just cuz he had a undefeated record dont mean he was the best, I'm sure Louis would've been undefeated to if he fought the same opposition as him...
It aint about how many times u dont lose, it's about how many times u lose, bounce right back up and learn from it and come even stronger...
Otherwise Louis knocks Marciano out..
Marciano DID beat Louis
(refer to Coming to America)
If anything Marciano is underrated. I know of very few people who rate him as #1. Most have him at the bottom of the top ten but I think he looks good in with the big five. Remaining undefeated in an entire career is a huge accomplishment considering how Tyson and Lewis have both lost to much less skillful opponents. Buster Douglas and McCall weren't half the fighters that Charles, Walcott, and Moore were even when Marciano fought them.
They were older then the Rock beat them but were still well conditioned athletes who lived clean and therefore had longer primes than guys like Tyson or Dempsey who partied and drank heavily as champion. Walcott fought the best fight of his career against Marciano and was still knocked out.
The guy is a legend. That is how he will be remembered for the duration of boxing history, and rightfully so. People who think Marciano was not a top ten heavyweight are usually either racists or are just looking to stir up controversy.
I don't see Marciano's record as something that instantly makes him a "Great". I see it for what it is,a record. It's the fact that he beat the best in his division. It doesn't take a great fighter to beat a bunch of tomato cans. As far as I know, no other heavyweight has achieved as long of an undefeated streak. I believe Marciano's record is similar to the single season home run record. Where as Louis's 25 title defences is like the career home run record. But boxing and baseball fans are different. These are records where people have come close to breaking, but have fallen short. In baseball, fans understand that holding these records don't make you the best ever. When you ask a baseball fan who is the best, you often hear names like Ruth, Dimaggio, and Mantle. Maris and Aaron may be mentioned, but not as often. Unfortunately, this is different with boxing fans. Some fans base judgement on numbers. They look at Marciano being undefeated and automatically believe he must have been great since no one beat him. But when they actually see his fights and his opponents, they realize his weaknesses and the problems those oppnents gave him. Some may also believe that since Larry Holmes won 48 fights before losing that is isn't as great as Marciano. Despite that Holmes continued to fight and win against some decent opponents even at his age. It is sad that people think like that, but it is true. In a way, I am sick of hearing about Marciano's record, and that way is when it is being used as a measuring stick for other fighters. I am not bothered when people mention it like "Look at that guy, he might break the 49-0 record. But who has he fought?" It shows that people understand what it really means to go undefeated for so long. I think people should enjoy the fact that people can use Marciano's record to look into boxing's past and see how fighters and the sport have changed. As opposed to people using his record to back up statements that Marciano would beat Louis, Ali, Dempsey, Foreman, Holmes etc..
That is a great post dingus. Good stuff.
The great thing about Marciano's record is not who he fought, but that he kept it together and was prepared for every fight. Are Rahman and McCall as goog of fighters as Lewis? No, but Lewis couldn't keep his shit together for each and EVERY fight.
That is a very good point. He obviously never took anyone lightly and prepared for every fight like it was his last
The great thing about Marciano's record is not who he fought, but that he kept it together and was prepared for every fight. Are Rahman and McCall as goog of fighters as Lewis? No, but Lewis couldn't keep his shit together for each and EVERY fight.
As far as Joe Louis, he fought his share of tomato cans. His first loss was to Max Schmeling. I don't recall seeing him on anyones top ten all time greats list.
Ezzard Charles, Jersey Joe Walcott and Archie Moore were all accomplished, slick, TOUGH fighters. If you didn't have your mind and game right they would beat you easy. They certainly are better than Rahman and McCall.
I don't see Marciano's record as something that instantly makes him a "Great". I see it for what it is,a record. It's the fact that he beat the best in his division. It doesn't take a great fighter to beat a bunch of tomato cans. As far as I know, no other heavyweight has achieved as long of an undefeated streak. I believe Marciano's record is similar to the single season home run record. Where as Louis's 25 title defences is like the career home run record. But boxing and baseball fans are different. These are records where people have come close to breaking, but have fallen short. In baseball, fans understand that holding these records don't make you the best ever. When you ask a baseball fan who is the best, you often hear names like Ruth, Dimaggio, and Mantle. Maris and Aaron may be mentioned, but not as often. Unfortunately, this is different with boxing fans. Some fans base judgement on numbers. They look at Marciano being undefeated and automatically believe he must have been great since no one beat him. But when they actually see his fights and his opponents, they realize his weaknesses and the problems those oppnents gave him. Some may also believe that since Larry Holmes won 48 fights before losing that is isn't as great as Marciano. Despite that Holmes continued to fight and win against some decent opponents even at his age. It is sad that people think like that, but it is true. In a way, I am sick of hearing about Marciano's record, and that way is when it is being used as a measuring stick for other fighters. I am not bothered when people mention it like "Look at that guy, he might break the 49-0 record. But who has he fought?" It shows that people understand what it really means to go undefeated for so long. I think people should enjoy the fact that people can use Marciano's record to look into boxing's past and see how fighters and the sport have changed. As opposed to people using his record to back up statements that Marciano would beat Louis, Ali, Dempsey, Foreman, Holmes etc..
Marciano's prime was in a time when there really wasn't a lot of depth, in the heavyweight division. During the 40's and 50's. Much like Lennox Lewis in the mid to late 90's. It's not his fault. He beat everybody in front of him. He was one of the greatest of all time!