Vitali KlitschkO

Rofl sado Vitali fan boy, get your acts straight then come back to us, lol what the fuk do u mean never actualy lost a fight, mmmmmm lewis beat his face till it looked like chopped liver, and erm he quit on his stool when he hurt his shoulder.....mmmm never lost eh?

You two must be married, as much as you like to fight with each other. That's fucked up, I'm almost starting to feel married to him lol Just kidding, I'm not gay, but that guy is such a stubborn idiot I just wanted to force him to stop posting for once when I felt he was wrong, but even when I re-posted the shit he just refused to read it, and accused me of posting random posts. Fuck it.

....Alright man, you got your opinion and I have mine. The last thing I would ask you to consider is whether your opinion or mine is more palitable from the standpoint of the knowledgeable people on this forum and/or the boxing media? I believe I already answerd that. You can feel that way all you like, I disagree. I don't care if 100% of the people here don't agree with my take or hate me for it. This really won't be resolved until he or someone else unifies the titles. If and when he does unify the titles, I will give him all the props in the world. Until then, I will continue to be unimpressed with him beating the guys he's beating, including if and when he beats Rahman, who again, was alreadly clearly beaten by John Ruiz.

A win is a win. You might score one fight one way, someone else might score it another way. Again, Byrd hasn't lost in 3 years, and has been defending his title for 2 years longer than Vitali. Destroying your competition isn't impressive when they're fringe contenders that don't deserve to be there. Again Nate Tubbs destroyed Sanders much quicker than Vitali did, and when Sanders was much yonger. Sam destroyed Williams two rounds quicker than Vitali. That's two lesser fighters destroying the terrible fighters quicker. I'm not trying to change your mind, I'm illustrating why I feel the way I do. Again I'll reiterate: Until he DOES beat Byrd, I'm not going to give him credit for doing so. I heard and understood that you think there's no way Byrd would win, but the fact remains Vitali lost agaisnt Byrd already, and has yet to beat him again. Until he does (or beats whoever is holding the other two titles) I don't give him credit for doing so. I think I've made it clear what I think and why I think it. If you disagree with me that's fine, but I've now thoroughly explained why I feel the way I do, and I don't think it's out of line. ....Alright man, you got your opinion and I have mine. The last thing I would ask you to consider is whether your opinion or mine is more palitable from the standpoint of the knowledgeable people on this forum and/or the boxing media?

How the fuck can you justify Byrd being ranked with Vitali after his last three fights? There is an old saying in the mortgage/finance business. You are only as good as your last month, or your last year. A win is a win. You might score one fight one way, someone else might score it another way. Again, Byrd hasn't lost in 3 years, and has been defending his title for 2 years longer than Vitali. Destroying your competition isn't impressive when they're fringe contenders that don't deserve to be there. Again Nate Tubbs destroyed Sanders much quicker than Vitali did, and when Sanders was much yonger. Sam destroyed Williams two rounds quicker than Vitali. That's two lesser fighters destroying the terrible fighters quicker. I'm not trying to change your mind, I'm illustrating why I feel the way I do. So, tell me why Byrd(while losing his speed and being easier to hit every day) would be a threat to Vitali. Keep in mind that Vitali outboxed him back when Byrd was slicker and harder to hit. Again I'll reiterate: Until he DOES beat Byrd, I'm not going to give him credit for doing so. I heard and understood that you think there's no way Byrd would win, but the fact remains Vitali lost agaisnt Byrd already, and has yet to beat him again. Until he does (or beats whoever is holding the other two titles) I don't give him credit for doing so. I think I've made it clear what I think and why I think it. If you disagree with me that's fine, but I've now thoroughly explained why I feel the way I do, and I don't think it's out of line.

I don't rate either of them at the top. As far as I'm concearned the position is vacent until someone gets all 3 major titles. Say what you will about Byrd, he's been winning for 3 years straight, and defending his title for two years longer than Vitali. You can call Corrie Sanders and Danny Williams dangerous all you want. They were FRINGE CONTENDERS. Sanders was 38 years old, and overweight. Willams was only there because he beat Tyson, who wasn't ranked at all. Sanders lost to Rahman, and was KO'd in TWO rounds by Nate Tubbs. Danny Williams was knocked out by Sinan Samil Sam, and out pointed by Michael Sprott. Neither of those wins were impressive, because both of those guys had no business fighting for the WBC title. They have both lost to terrible terrible fighters. Until Vitali actually beats another title holder, I don't give him all the credit I see so many of you throwing around. As it stands now, he's not fighting again until at least Sept, when he'll likely face Rahman, who alreadly was clearly beaten by John Ruiz. So weather or not you like what I have to say or not, don't tell me I'm being hateful or unfair. I explained to you why I feel the way I do, and I'll leave it at that. Hopefully Toney gets rid of Ruiz and fights Byrd, leaving the winner of that fight to face Vitali early next year where a all these debates will be answered difinitivly. .....Not gonna call you hateful or unfair. I was actually refering more to Sanders and Johnson and not talking about Williams necessarily. However, Williams had just conquered Tyson and his confidence was sky high and he felt like he could truly whip Vitali. How can you compare Byrds shitty wins over Golota and Oquendo when you know he probably lost both fights. Vit has dominated in his last three fights. Hell, if McCline wasn't such a pussy he would have taken Byrd out early when he had him hurt. How the fuck can you justify Byrd being ranked with Vitali after his last three fights? There is an old saying in the mortgage/finance business. You are only as good as your last month, or your last year. Byrd has been shit and you know it. Do you truly think a Byrd/Vitali fight would be competitive?? Byrd is on the decline and Vitali is on top of the world right now with sky high confidence. Vitali was the better fighter back when Byrd was peaking. Do you seriously feel that Byrd would pose a threat to Vit in the ring today? ha ha ha ha ha ha If you say that Byrd could hang with Vit if they fought then you would look like a fool. So, tell me why Byrd(while losing his speed and being easier to hit every day) would be a threat to Vitali. Keep in mind that Vitali outboxed him back when Byrd was slicker and harder to hit.

....I hear ya, but how can you rank Byrd with Vitali currently. Yeah, he got an injury win years ago and I know a win is a win on the record book but look at their recent history. Byrd is lucky to still have a belt and has been outboxed in at least two of his last three fights and gotten the decision. Vitali on the other hand has been dominating and he fought and beat dangerous guys who most would not want to get in the ring with. Sanders is one of the most dangerous heavies in the last 20 years. Look into it and you will find that Sanders and Lewis were good buds and kind of stable mates and Sanders says that Lewis would never give him a fight because he thought Sanders was too big of a risk. Corrie Sanders could punish any heavy who ever lived with one shot if they made a mistake. Bringing Ruiz into the best heavy debate is a fuckin joke BTW. That guy is a disgrace to boxing with his bullshit tactics. It's totally illegal and it's pussy ass boxing as well. He is so scared to get the TUA treatment again that he tries to cheat his way to an ugly decision win. Absolutely fuckin disgraceful. If you can sit here with a straight face and rank Byrd and Ruiz with Vit then your one hell of a poker player my man. :) I don't rate either of them at the top. As far as I'm concearned the position is vacent until someone gets all 3 major titles. Say what you will about Byrd, he's been winning for 3 years straight, and defending his title for two years longer than Vitali. You can call Corrie Sanders and Danny Williams dangerous all you want. They were FRINGE CONTENDERS. Sanders was 38 years old, and overweight. Willams was only there because he beat Tyson, who wasn't ranked at all. Sanders lost to Rahman, and was KO'd in TWO rounds by Nate Tubbs. Danny Williams was knocked out by Sinan Samil Sam, and out pointed by Michael Sprott. Neither of those wins were impressive, because both of those guys had no business fighting for the WBC title. They have both lost to terrible terrible fighters. Until Vitali actually beats another title holder, I don't give him all the credit I see so many of you throwing around. As it stands now, he's not fighting again until at least Sept, when he'll likely face Rahman, who alreadly was clearly beaten by John Ruiz. So weather you like what I have to say or not, don't tell me I'm being hateful or unfair. I explained to you why I feel the way I do, and I'll leave it at that. Hopefully Toney gets rid of Ruiz and fights Byrd, leaving the winner of that fight to face Vitali early next year where a all these debates will be answered difinitivly.

bozo is just a hater who tries to look liek he is using logic

You can feel that way all you like, I disagree. And in disagreeing, I'm not out of line, or saying anything offensive, despite the out pouring of people ready to jump at my throat. I'll say what I said earlier: Vitali Klitschko, IMO, has more to prove before he's considered "the" champion. He has LOST in the two biggest (agaisnt the biggest name opponents) fights of his career, and aside from that, his biggest wins in his entire career came against Larry Donald, and a 260 lb Kirk Johnson. In my opinion until he actually beats Byrd or Ruiz, he's in the same boat they are. Byrd holds a win over Vitali, and has been defending his title much longer. For me its not good enough that everyone "thinks" he'd beat them both. I want to see it. Until I do, I am not sold on him. This is my opinion, and its not hateful or disrespectful to Vitali. ....I hear ya, but how can you rank Byrd with Vitali currently. Yeah, he got an injury win years ago and I know a win is a win on the record book but look at their recent history. Byrd is lucky to still have a belt and has been outboxed in at least two of his last three fights and gotten the decision. Vitali on the other hand has been dominating and he fought and beat dangerous guys who most would not want to get in the ring with. Sanders is one of the most dangerous heavies in the last 20 years. Look into it and you will find that Sanders and Lewis were good buds and kind of stable mates and Sanders says that Lewis would never give him a fight because he thought Sanders was too big of a risk. Corrie Sanders could punish any heavy who ever lived with one shot if they made a mistake. Bringing Ruiz into the best heavy debate is a fuckin joke BTW. That guy is a disgrace to boxing with his bullshit tactics. It's totally illegal and it's pussy ass boxing as well. He is so scared to get the TUA treatment again that he tries to cheat his way to an ugly decision win. Absolutely fuckin disgraceful. If you can sit here with a straight face and rank Byrd and Ruiz with Vit then your one hell of a poker player my man. :)

....I'm a somewhat realistic Klit fan in that I understand that Wlad has some issues. Sanders legitimately got to him and whiped his ass. If he doesn't step it up in his next fight then he is through. I think he will mind you, but I'm not counting on it in the least. I don't know that I believe the drugging conspiracies and I think that Wlad possibly hypered himself into a frenzy and shot his wad early against Brewster. Who knows for sure?? Vitali is "the man" right now and nothing you think changes that. Lewis didn't comeback to fight Vit because it wasn't worth it to him. Call it self preservation, good sense, or whatever you want. Vitali is an imposing force in the heavies and the only real question he has is the Byrd situation years ago. To be honest, I was pissed at him for quitting in that fight and thought it was a bad move at the time. I couldn't stand the look on Byrd's face when he got that gift. Since that time he has proved his metal and done what it takes to be recognized as the best heavy out there right now. If you doubt that most on here feel that way then start a poll. I dare you to. You can feel that way all you like, I disagree. I don't care if 100% of the people here don't agree with my take or hate me for it. And in disagreeing, I'm not out of line, or saying anything offensive, despite the out pouring of people ready to jump at my throat. I'll say what I said earlier: Vitali Klitschko, IMO, has more to prove before he's considered "the" champion. He has LOST in the two biggest (agaisnt the biggest name opponents) fights of his career, and aside from that, the biggest wins in his entire career came against Larry Donald, and a 260 lb Kirk Johnson. In my opinion until he actually beats Byrd or Ruiz, he's in the same boat they are. Byrd holds a win over Vitali, and has been defending his title much longer. For me its not good enough that everyone "thinks" he'd beat them both. I want to see it. Until I do, I am not sold on him. This is my opinion, and its not hateful or disrespectful to Vitali.

I don't have one. Show me one post where I said something hateful or biased agaisnt them. What I do have a problem with is wounded and spiteful Klitschko fanatics who can't deal with someone mentioning any factual statements about them losing in the context of a conversation about them. I haven't said anything about either of them that's out of line. Some of you are just so sensitive about them its unreal you can handle coming on to a boxing site in general. ....I'm a somewhat realistic Klit fan in that I understand that Wlad has some issues. Sanders legitimately got to him and whiped his ass. If he doesn't step it up in his next fight then he is through. I think he will mind you, but I'm not counting on it in the least. I don't know that I believe the drugging conspiracies and I think that Wlad possibly hypered himself into a frenzy and shot his wad early against Brewster. Who knows for sure?? Vitali is "the man" right now and nothing you think changes that. Lewis didn't comeback to fight Vit because it wasn't worth it to him. Call it self preservation, good sense, or whatever you want. Vitali is an imposing force in the heavies and the only real question he has is the Byrd situation years ago. To be honest, I was pissed at him for quitting in that fight and thought it was a bad move at the time. I couldn't stand the look on Byrd's face when he got that gift. Since that time he has proved his metal and done what it takes to be recognized as the best heavy out there right now. If you doubt that most on here feel that way then start a poll. I dare you to.

What is your problem with the Klitschko's? I don't have one. Show me one post where I said something hateful or biased agaisnt them. What I do have a problem with is wounded and spiteful Klitschko fanatics who can't deal with someone mentioning any factual statements about them losing in the context of a conversation about them. I haven't said anything about either of them that's out of line. Some of you are just so sensitive about them its unreal you can handle coming on to a boxing site in general.

Well he's officially ignored now. There's no point in discussing at length with a guy who admittedly lies and twists things when he's angry. .....Hey Bozo, just shut the fuck up already. Your the most annoying newbie to come along in quite a while. Hollister has more respect and credibility on this site than you will ever have. What is your problem with the Klitschko's? Were you raped by a Ukranian? Some Ukranian dude bang your girl and finally give her the orgasm you never could? BTW, I think your another member under an alter ego just trying to stir the pot.

bozo have u spent all 300 of your post ripping wlad and vitali? and members of this forum

Well he's officially ignored now. There's no point in discussing at length with a guy who admittedly lies and twists things when he's angry.

Yes it was real "gutsy" for him to admit to being a liar and agree and acknowledge to making an ass of himself. It's a sure fire sign that there's a lot to gain to continue discussing anything with him. He admitted to getting angry, and letting that anger talk (and act) for him. I've known Hurlex a long time..he isnt usually that easy to piss off. Everybody says and does things when theyre mad that they dont mean..and he admitted that. Nothing wrong with that.

Actually, it takes guts for him to admit it..dont ya think? Most people on here would deny it til the sun sets, and he could have done that too. Yes it was real "gutsy" for him to admit to being a liar and agree and acknowledge to making an ass of himself. It's a sure fire sign that there's a lot to gain in continuing to discuss anything with him.

LOL This REALLY says it all. You have ZERO CREDIBILITY. Actually, it takes guts for him to admit it..dont ya think? Most people on here would deny it til the sun sets, and he could have done that too.

LOL This REALLY says it all. You have ZERO CREDIBILITY. You two must be married, as much as you like to fight with each other.

I became frustrated with you because you were making the KD out to be more than what it was, so I lied about what you said and made an ass out of myself. At least I'm man enough to admit it LOL This REALLY says it all. You have ZERO CREDIBILITY.