Roy Jones September return vs woods

lol Nueraxis, you're folling yoursel if you think Roy could not have won without Nady. Nady did his job, he kept the fight FAIR. However, Roy could have done a simlar beatdown regardless. He was just too quick and would have moved out of the way enough, as he did in the fight, to win (even w/ another ref). Ruiz was outboxed by guys slower than Jones earlie in his career. Another thing...Roy knew his limitations, and I doubt he thought Vitali was one of them. I believe he wanted to fight Lennox Lewis, and looking at how Lewis looked at that time vs Klitschko, I would have picked Roy to win. Don't confuse Roy now with Roy before Ruiz. In addition, let me add that Lewis had nothing to gain by fighting Roy, and nor did Klitschko. They both would get only monetary compensation for their embarassment if they lost to Roy...too much of a risk. Lewis stated his disineterest in a Jones fight on fightnews at the time Roy seemed to be interested in that fight. The statement that Roy avoided the harder punchers is just pure falsehood. Richard Hall, Antonio Tarver, James Toney, Merk Sosa...Hill was way naturally bigger than Roy. All of these guys hit hard and were bigger than Roy. Roy moved up in weight to fight guys who could hit bigger and harder. That means the punches came harder. Is that hard to understand? Roy never would have been a lighheavy if he did not make the choice to move up and add muscle. If he had not done these things, he could have stayed at middleweight like Hopkins. People seem to forget that Roy started at 154 lbs.

That is true. Lewis was quite the timid wanker wasn't he. I tell you what have you ever seen a really tall russian guy try to swat a fly that kept landing on his food and not be able to get it because he was too big and slow. Well I havn't either but that is how I imagine a Vitali vs. Jones fight going a few years ago. that is not true, Lewis never ducked anybody,and anyway he would of easily beaten Byrd, jones and ruiz

That is true. Lewis was quite the timid wanker wasn't he. I tell you what have you ever seen a really tall russian guy try to swat a fly that kept landing on his food and not be able to get it because he was too big and slow. Well I havn't either but that is how I imagine a Vitali vs. Jones fight going a few years ago. Jones knew his limitations.

Lewis was afraid of Ruiz and Byrd too... That is true. Lewis was quite the timid wanker wasn't he. I tell you what have you ever seen a really tall russian guy try to swat a fly that kept landing on his food and not be able to get it because he was too big and slow. Well I havn't either but that is how I imagine a Vitali vs. Jones fight going a few years ago.

Lol Lennox Lewis was afraid of Jones, are you saying that Vitali wouldn't be? Lewis was afraid of Ruiz and Byrd too...

Lennox Lewis was afraid of Jones, are you saying that Vitali wouldn't be?

Didn't ask for forgiveness, that programs been cancelled. Just a little understanding for the ignorant, LOL, I don't know if we are on the same page here, but if you are talking about the show Forgive or Forget, that show was hilarious.

I forgive you. ;) Didn't ask for forgiveness, that programs been cancelled. Just a little understanding for the ignorant,

Agreed, I wasn't aware Vitali would have been his mandatory. Please excuse my imprecision. I forgive you. ;)

Maybe if he fought John Ruiz with Jay Nady as the ref for every single one of his fights. But the fact of the matter is that Jones avoided the hardest hitters at the lighter divisions, so there is no way that he would have been able to handle someone like Vitali Klitschko who was his mandatory at the time that he vacated his belt at heavyweight. Agreed, I wasn't aware Vitali would have been his mandatory. Please excuse my imprecision.

That's not where I was going. Since this is all speculation, my thought was that his speed would have been greater than all of the heavyweights currently fighting, and his body, and his confidence would not have undergone the stress of dropping the muscle weight required to come down to lt heavy. And since attitude and confidence do have an effect on reality, I think we'ed be having a very different conversation now. But then again, if frogs had wings they wouldn't bump their ass so much. Maybe if he fought John Ruiz with Jay Nady as the ref for every single one of his fights. But the fact of the matter is that Jones avoided the hardest hitters at the lighter divisions, so there is no way that he would have been able to handle someone like Vitali Klitschko who was his mandatory at the time that he vacated his belt at heavyweight.

I agree, a death in the ring would be interesting. That's not where I was going. Since this is all speculation, my thought was that his speed would have been greater than all of the heavyweights currently fighting, and his body, and his confidence would not have undergone the stress of dropping the muscle weight required to come down to lt heavy. And since attitude and confidence do have an effect on reality, I think we'ed be having a very different conversation now. But then again, if frogs had wings they wouldn't bump their ass so much.

I wannna see him get ko'ed once more.

I don't know if it's the ONLY way he can win a fight, but I sure as hell wish he'd stayed at heavyweight, it would have made things much more interesting all the way around. I agree, a death in the ring would be interesting.

Jones should retire. There is nothing to prove in fighting Woods again cos he has already defeated him. The only way Jones can win a fight is at heavyweight because he wouldn`t be weight drained... I don't know if it's the ONLY way he can win a fight, but I sure as hell wish he'd stayed at heavyweight, it would have made things much more interesting all the way around.

it would be good for him to retire with a belt, but if he's as bad as he was in his last two fights, he will be knocked out again

Roy's losses do not affect his legacy whatsoever, even according to Bert Sugar who is one of the most respected and oldest boxing historians on the planet. Intelligent boxing fans know Roy would have wiped Tarver and Johnson 3-4 years ago. I shouldn't have to repeat myself though. Not once has Roy said he is coming back vs anyone and the only one who speaks for Roy, is Roy. Brad Jacobs admits himself in the article that Roy has not told him he wants to come back, and given the amount of times Jacobs has been wrong when delivering Roy's supposed intentions, there is absolutely NO credibilty in what he says. Even though we tend to disagree about most things, I couldn't agree more with this post.

Roy's losses do not affect his legacy whatsoever, even according to Bert SUgar who is the most respected and oldest boxing historians on the planet. Intelligent boxing fans know Roy would have wiped Tarver and Johnson 3-4 years ago. I shouldn't have to repeat myself though. Not once has Roy said he is coming back vs anyone and the only one who speaks for Roy, is Roy. Brad Jacobs admits himself in the article that Roy has not told him he wants to come back, and given the amout of times Jacobs has been wrong when delivering Roy's supposed intentions, there is absolutely NO credibilty in what he says. It seems everyone has ignored your post. Anyhow, I agree. I don't think his losses hurt him at all. If you watch his fights when he was young, there is no question that he's one of the best to ever step in the ring. Probably not THE best, though.

No way in hell this fight happens, its a waste of time speculating on it.

He is one of the greatest fighters in my mind. I hope he is able to retire with a title belt.