May God Bless Pacman & El Terrible On ThEIr Fight

i admit i am a big PACMAN fan but b4, and up to now, i am still and also a big fan of El Terrible. as the fight gets near, i feel that i should only support one of these great boxers. i respect and admire morales but definitely, more than just being a Filipino, my heart is for manny. it will be a tough fight. to end the fight in TKO would be my biggest wish for the man but nonetheless just the win would suffice my emptiness. i'm hoping 4 da best!!! good luck manny! BUEN CONTESTASION.YO MISMO UN HOMBRE DEVOTO KUN PACMAN.MI SALUTASION CONTIGO MI COMPANIERO NA ESTE THREAD.

i admit i am a big PACMAN fan but b4, and up to now, i am still and also a big fan of El Terrible. as the fight gets near, i feel that i should only support one of these great boxers. i respect and admire morales but definitely, more than just being a Filipino, my heart is for manny. it will be a tough fight. to end the fight in TKO would be my biggest wish for the man but nonetheless just the win would suffice my emptiness. i'm hoping 4 da best!!! good luck manny!

He ain't gonna bumrush Morales. You can't take out Morales that early. No WAY! Roach and Manny knows that and thast why their fight plan is for a full 12 rounds A couple of theories why he exploded against JMM. Here's mine: To be honest, I don't think you try to take out a 2-belt champion in the 1st round. What I DID see is Marquez landing a straight right down the pipe that Pac probably felt. Right after that he unleashes the power left to give back as good as he took...except Marquez went down. So he tries to take him out off teh first round, landing consistantly with the straight left and just kept dropping Marquez. His instincts took over and he TRIED to make it a short night. Another theory from a poster (I forget who) is that Roach knew that Marquez has teh best style against Manny and the plan was to take him out early. Morales would get up easy. But one thing I'll tell you, if ever he gets dropped. He'll throw away the fight plan and will unload. Then you see a war. Pac needs controlled agression, Morales has the tools to take him out should he come in too carelessly. Morales can wheather the strom if he keeps Pac at range but if Pac gets inside, his faster fists would mash up Morales' face like turkey stuffing. you may be right when you said EM's not that easy to finish in the early rounds. but i strongly believe that Roach and Pac are planning to bring everything they can in the early rounds coz this si one of Em's weaknesses. Em is slow in the early rounds. so i dont see it impossible for EM to drop or be KO'ed in the early rounds (though i hardly think so) if Manny will be giving his best immediately.

I didnt say efficient fighters, i said efficient punches. Marquez stands straight up more than Morales and it limits the variety of punches he is able to throw. You stand straight straight up and throw an uppercut, then stand like Morales, and throw one, big difference in the punching power (efficiency) of the punch. Which is why you see Morales throwing more uppercuts, hooks and shots to the body from a greater assortment of angles than you see Marquez. The range of different punches, as you put it favors Morales considerably over Marquez. And it will give Morales more openings to punish Pacquiao for any mistakes he makes. the problem of JMM's opponents is before they can give their combos, JMM either would hit them first with combos or block their 1st or 2nd throw so he could do his quick power combinations nutralizes his opponent's combinations. and i dont see in EM the ability to smother that.

JMM is the best counterpuncher right now,I still think morales and barrera are chickens for not fighting him, I give pacman props for being brave enough to step up to the plate. that makes Pacman so different above all these 3M's.

When I think of complete I think of being able to do everything. I can't think of the last time I saw Marquez take the lead in a fight or succeed in an all out brawl (I don't count the Pac fight). Morales knows how to attack with the jab/right and lure you into the uppercut, he can stay outside and pot-shot, he can definitely counter (7th rd. of the 3rd Barrera fight is a nice example...pristine right counter over Barreras punch), he can brawl (outside of some of his Barrera encounters). Marquez is great at what he does, but he doesn't do enough to be viewed as the more complete fighter IMO. He's also had the luxury of doing his work against lesser competition than Morales. Some great counterpunchers in the history of the game have shown the ability to attack and break their opponent down, thus making them more of a complete fighter (ex: Toney/Hopkins/Hagler come to mind). In conclusion...Morales is a more complete fighter because I say so... :moon: a fighter doesnt need to be complete to win a fight and to be recognized. its on how he efefctively utilizes his style. and i think JMM's is better than EM's.

Morales is a more complete fighter than Marquez...Marquez can't fight going forward (take the lead) as well as Erik and is not nearly as versatile as Erik. Erik can box and set his opponent up , he can brawl, or he sit back and counterpunch when he wants to. Erik has hurt Barrera many times in their three fights. He had Barrera hurt 3-4 times down the stretch of their third fight...and who can forget that 5th round of their first fight. He just could never quite put him down or away. i dont think so. EM may know how to counter and he may have power and accuracy but he doesnt have the speed and patience of JMM. this is why i consider JMM as a more dangerous fighter than EM.

lol he floored marquez 3 times and dident win. yeah i agree. this is why outside factors like boxing politics is considered as a big factor in every match. specially at MGM Grand Las Vegas and with Bob Arum involved. that is when a deserving fighter does not get what he deserves that makes it so sad in this sport.

honestly neither of us can sit here and say what's goign to happen because on any given day anything can happen and its going to be whoever brings there shit to the table that day that will pull it off. Thats a honest opinion no offense bro but i noticed that you're fond of using the SHIT word in most of your post. is that realy necessary? :D

Honestly dude, I criticized Pac Man jus as u are doing...I jus knew Barrera would dismantle him inside of 5 rounds "Too aggressive, too offensive, no defense" i said about Pac Man, then about a 30 minutes after the first bell im proven wrong.......So when I heard about his fight against Marquez (who i felt is more naturally a better boxer than Barrera) I said "well, he's gonna naturally do what Barrera should have done, being so that he's been doing that his whole career and didnt recently make the transition"...then after that first round i was silenced......................Morales no doubt is the truth, but he neither offensively or defensively is that much more diffrent than the 2 guys who Pacquaio put thru hell, and yes Morales fights well hurt but just as u say Morales turns on that 2nd gear when he is hurt, Pac Man turns on his 2nd gear when he gets u hurt. PS: When a guy knocks out a p4p champion and gives anotha one hell for a full 12 rounds....he usually isnt 1-Dimensional. very well said. though i respect Morales' effectivenes, Pac is no Superman but deffinitely an extra ordinary fighter. he's still young and can still learn a lot more. and everytime he learns something new, he just become more and more dangerous.

yeah he is he never does shit but throws the left. STOP COMPARING THESE FIGHTS MORALES IS NOT BARRERA AND NOT JMM OK different fighters AND PACMAN IS ONE DIMENSIONAL he has yet to prove the he is not yet to prove? i thought i heared that before his fight against MAB , and another before JMM, and now am hearing this again before EM. Pac has proven himself long before he faught JMM through the personality of the top P4P of the featherwight, legendary Barrera by KO, and has further proven it by decking JMM 3x in the first round and fight the rest of the match till 12 rounds half partially handicaped. Morales is not a measuring tool to prove Pac's worthiness. Morales is just another great fighter that Manny can use to further elevate his greatness and vice versa.

Wake up! Who has dropped Morales? Just because he dropped barrera and JMM dont mean the same shits going to happen to Morales. this is why this fight is gonna be exciting. coz Morales has never faught a fighter as powerful and as quick as Pacman. and Pacman never faught a fighter as durable as Morlaes. but if you'll ask me which will prevail, speed and power or durability? i think its speed and power that has the edge.

correct, styles make fights....but who for the last 5 years have people been saying are the mirror images of each other? Barrera and Morales....who for the last 5 years have pretty much equaled each other in every aspect of the word? Barrera and Morales..........and when i compared Pac Man's performance against Barrera, i was making the point that Pac Man has brought the most disciplined of boxers in the division to the canvas, hard to believe he cant/wont do the same to Morales. plus you could also consider Manny's consistency in knocking his opponents down and 70% KO record. i dont think EM's gonna be an excemption to that when Manny lands his devastating left straight/uppercut.

Now this fight puzzles me, Before I would have picked Morales easy becuz of his toughness and Pacquaio's the more vulnerable fighter....but Pacquaio has hurt Barrera (something Morales failed to do) and also gave Marquez (who i think is even more put togetha than Barrera and Morales) hell......wouldnt be surprised of Pacquaio stops Morales. now that's how i and many others see it too.

MUY BIEN MI AMIGO ,EL DOS KABALIEROS. VIVA!MEHICO VIVA PILIPINO!EL ULTIMO HOMBRE AMO ES GANADOR!!!! what did you say?

It's a Pick Em as everyones saying I quit argueing everyone has a point let's just wait and see who brings it. Win or Lose both will come out of this fight a champion regardless. MUY BIEN MI AMIGO ,EL DOS KABALIEROS. VIVA!MEHICO VIVA PILIPINO!EL ULTIMO HOMBRE AMO ES GANADOR!!!!

It's a Pick Em as everyones saying I quit argueing everyone has a point let's just wait and see who brings it. Win or Lose both will come out of this fight a champion regardless.

Now I know how two people can view a fight differently. :cool: Specially if you're on different sides of the fence, rooting for different protagonists! Absolutely, you'll see the fight on different perspectives! :boxing:

3 times. Rounds 1 and 2 were obviously Pac's. Rounds 3 - 6 were JMM's hands down Round 7 was Pac's (very close though) Round 8 - 9 were JMM's (though the 9th was close) Round 10 was Pac's Rounds 11 - 12 were JMM's 8 - 4, 113 - 112 JMM Remember that besides looking at punches thrown and landed, there's a thing called ring generalship which you also have to take into account when scoring a fight. And JMM overwhelmed Manny in that category througout the fight. Clean punching, effective agressiveness, ring generalship and defense, yeah i know how to score. 9 was the clearest round for Manny in terms of all four of the criteria but agree to disagree I guess. Now I know how two people can view a fight differently. :cool:

4 is generous? You can't get serious. I gave it 7-5 and that's giving Marquez the close rounds! bro, I'm telling you I watched the fight near ten times, paying close attention to which punches landed and missed and I have to say some of the rounds were too close. Almost impossible to pick a winner . Among them was 7,8,11, they were way too close to call. 1,2,9-10 were Pac's hands down. How many times did you see the fight? 3 times. Rounds 1 and 2 were obviously Pac's. Rounds 3 - 6 were JMM's hands down Round 7 was Pac's (very close though) Round 8 - 9 were JMM's (though the 9th was close) Round 10 was Pac's Rounds 11 - 12 were JMM's 8 - 4, 113 - 112 JMM Remember that besides looking at punches thrown and landed, there's a thing called ring generalship which you also have to take into account when scoring a fight. And JMM overwhelmed Manny in that category througout the fight.