This was a superfight in 1987 when Marvelous Marvin Hagler fought Sugar Ray Leonard. There's been lots of contreversy about the decision for 18 years. Who won the fight?
p.s. I know people have started this thread before but i dont remember it happening for a while and since there's been lots of new members i'm gonna start it again!
I think it was stupid, Leonard was winning because he wasn't losing, the scoring system sucks, how can they give Leonard all those rounds for not doing anything.
This whole argument about power punches vs flurries reminds me of the Johnson Tarver fight, where I thought Tarver ought to have won, and so did a lot of my friends. Tarver wasn't the aggressor, but he landed more little shots, threw more, and in the end that's what wins for me. The knockout is just a convenience. I think Sugar Ray was getting hurt a lot more than Hagler, that's for sure, but he was still fighting and landing and doing a good job. Probably closer than 110-118, but I'd still give it to Leonard
I believe Leonard landed more punches but he never seemed to hurt Hagler even a little bit (how many ever did?). Leonard landed some seriously weak punches. I'll take solid punches over razzle-dazzle bullshit every time.
Leonard won!
...according to 2 Judges (one scored it 110-118!! :eek: ),
but the third judge was correct to my opinion:
Hagler should have gotten the decision!
But I agree with Keleneki, Hagler should not have agreed with the ring and (not to forget!) the big gloves. Also I believed he tried to prove he was better man, instead of getting the man out from moment one. We would not have had this vote today had he played his cards differently.
But surviving is not enough to win a match...Leonard was smart, very smart and got away with the belts.
How I see the fight: Hagler won..
Leonard knew he would not be able to survive a war with hagler, so he boxed, and started stealing rounds with flurries in the last minutes....I think he deserved the victory.
I have only watched this fight three times over the years because it gets me too upset that those judges gave Leonard the decision. Got to give Leonard and his team credit for setting the rules to their advantage though with the very large ring, 12 rounds, ... too bad Hagler and the Petronelli's went along with it. Too bad the fight wasn't 15 rounds, one can only imagine what would have happened then ... if I can recall correctly, after the bell rang at the end, in the 12th, Leonard collapsed from exhaustion. I still though that Hagler did more than enough to win it through 12 though. Ah, well, that's boxing. Anything can happen.
I can't believe what I am hearing. Leonard took the early rounds and Hagler just didn't make up enough rounds, even though he finished strongly.
I am a huge fan of both fighters but Hagler must attract fanatics, rather than fans.
Decision 100% right.
Great post. This is called boxing people and Leonard clearly "OUTBOXED" Hagler. The dumbass people who want to criticize him for not standing there and getting his head handed to him need to STFU! :D
Leonard won
I'm a big Marvin Hagler fan, but i gotta say i believe Sugar Ray won their fight. Hagler looked old, slow and he pissed away the opening rounds. Ray did what he had to do to beat Hagler, he used effective movement and flurries to frustrate Marvelous. What, did anyone think Ray would stand and try to trade with Hagler?
I can't believe what I am hearing. Leonard took the early rounds and Hagler just didn't make up enough rounds, even though he finished strongly.
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Decision 100% right.
Good point! It was a pretty close fight. The statement that the decision was a robbery is bullshit.
Real punches versus glancing punches are what matter in my book. One solid punch is worth more to me than 100 glancing pitty pat blows. Hagler won that fight.
I can't believe what I am hearing. Leonard took the early rounds and Hagler just didn't make up enough rounds, even though he finished strongly.
I am a huge fan of both fighters but Hagler must attract fanatics, rather than fans.
Decision 100% right.
Hagler won IMO - The agressor issue being the defining factor.
Leanard's punch's were like his career, all show and no substance. Then again i do hate him so im a tad biased :)
whatever sanyone says about this fight, SRL is a goddam legend
nearly a 5 year layoff, to even come that close to beating the marvelous one is a huge accomplishment.
yeah, I agree, RL did his job.
But he pulled a DLH vs Tito, and should have lost the fight because of it. He won on popularity imo- if RL wasn't a star, he would've lost the decision. Hagler, while himself a star, wasn't as bright a star as Ray Leonard was.
whatever sanyone says about this fight, SRL is a goddam legend
nearly a 5 year layoff, to even come that close to beating the marvelous one is a huge accomplishment.
that was a long time ago and I am totally bias being a SGL Fan...
Sugar Ray Leonard won...
Marvin did not do enough to beat Sugar Ray, well both of them did not do enough, but SGL was the first guy to do the last sec flurry thing making
an impression on the judges for the points victory ...
IMHO Marvelous should have attacked the same way he did during the fight with "The Hitman" Hearns ...
Hagler. for sure.
the guy was a bull in that fight, and Leonard pulled a DLH vs Tito. Hagler hands down.
if i was a judge i wouldve noticed that he was trying to exploit the judges with the flurries right before the round ends
he even admitted
he said he would steal round....not win rounds...STEAL!!
Why can't he win? cuz he can't so he steals, which means Hagler got robbed...