Wlad does not deserve a title shot!

Likely true. No one here would buy a Byrd/Little Klit PPV. I would! :biggthump

I think he still deserves one. The heavyweight divison is shallow, and there are few people worthy enough of challenging for one of the titles. If Don King's HW tournament takes place, he was slated to enter. The only conflict with this, is that he would have the posibility of having to fight his brother. Never pay again for live sex! | Hot girls doing naughty stuff for free! | Chat for free!

He deserve title based on his whole-life resume, also he is highest available in the current IBF ranking so he is simple mandatory to Byrd. Beside this he is considered as a much bigger threat to Byrd's belt than Barrett - even Byrd realize that Barrett will be much weaker oponent. If someone would have a shot before Wlat this would be Golota (in remach) or Sanders (recently KO Wlad).

Sick of this topic, Wlad deserves a shot just as much as anyone else

I never said that I gave TOS the fight. I had Wlad winng up to the stoppage, but I could easily tell what TOS was doing and given Wlad's recent stamina problems and exposed chin, combined with TOS's pop I think the stoppage may have been the best outcome for Little Klit. I could easily see TOS getting a late KO the way he was conserving engry while making Wlad expend it. Not a pretty or stunning way to win a fight, but a well thought out and effective one. Speaking of Doug Tucker, the judge who had it 48-47 TOS, he also had Judah v. Spinks I 116-111. Which is a pretty hard score to come up with for that fight and it also means that when Judah KD'd Spinks he only scored it 10-9 Judah. Very weak.

someone on a different thread said that the fight in Germany would make a lot more money for both fighters. Anybody know if that's true. Likely true. No one here would buy a Byrd/Little Klit PPV.

someone on a different thread said that the fight in Germany would make a lot more money for both fighters. Anybody know if that's true.

At least not at this point. If you would have asked me what I thought of Wlad before he fought Sanders I would have told you, "He is the number one heavyweight contendor and deserves a crack at Lennox Lewis." After some recent shitty performnaces I would say that he doesn't even deserved to be ranked in the top 10. For him to make Byrd come to Germany is insane. Is Wlad living in a dream world? Does he not realize how awful he has looked in his last 2 fights? This guy does not deserve to fight Byrd let alone make the rediculous demand. This is the problem, he and his fans and backers are living off Wlad's past glories and success. If he gets a resounding and uncontroversial win over a guy like Whitaker,or Sanders in a rematch, or even TOS in a rematch, then maybe I will say that he should get a title shot. But as of right now, I don't think he does... You are also completely ignoring Vitali's leverage concerning this matter.

I never said that I gave TOS the fight. I had Wlad winng up to the stoppage, but I could easily tell what TOS was doing and given Wlad's recent stamina problems and exposed chin, combined with TOS's pop I think the stoppage may have been the best outcome for Little Klit. I could easily see TOS getting a late KO the way he was conserving engry while making Wlad expend it. Not a pretty or stunning way to win a fight, but a well thought out and effective one. Right that's what I said. I said even you didn't see TOS winning the fight. Maybe so on your prediction, but we'll never know.

See even you couldn't have TOS winning that fight. This is boxing, and in boxing you have to land punches to win rounds. Besides for the 1st and 4th rounds TOS landed something like 3 punches a round. I never said that I gave TOS the fight. I had Wlad winng up to the stoppage, but I could easily tell what TOS was doing and given Wlad's recent stamina problems and exposed chin, combined with TOS's pop I think the stoppage may have been the best outcome for Little Klit. I could easily see TOS getting a late KO the way he was conserving engry while making Wlad expend it. Not a pretty or stunning way to win a fight, but a well thought out and effective one.

It depends on what you're looking at. I had the fight 48-47 for Wlad at the time of the stoppage, and gave him the 10-9 in the 4th. I did, however, think that TOS was executing the perfect game plan against Wlad given his stamina problems. He had Wlad chasing him all around that ring, then would punch his way out of trouble when Wlad got too close. I gave the "Ring Generalship" to TOS for every round of that fight. Wlad's punches, though he was landing, were neither clean nor effective punches. A high number of them were fully or partially blocked. The judge, who I thought had it wrong, too, may have been looking at how TOS was making Wlad fight his fight, and the overall defensive skills that TOS was showing. See even you couldn't have TOS winning that fight. This is boxing, and in boxing you have to land punches to win rounds. Besides for the 1st and 4th rounds TOS landed something like 3 punches a round.

Right and that judge should be taken out back and slapped in front of his kids. It depends on what you're looking at. I had the fight 48-47 for Wlad at the time of the stoppage, and gave him the 10-9 in the 4th. I did, however, think that TOS was executing the perfect game plan against Wlad given his stamina problems. He had Wlad chasing him all around that ring, then would punch his way out of trouble when Wlad got too close. I gave the "Ring Generalship" to TOS for every round of that fight. Wlad's punches, though he was landing, were neither clean nor effective punches. A high number of them were fully or partially blocked. The judge, who I thought had it wrong, too, may have been looking at how TOS was making Wlad fight his fight, and the overall defensive skills that TOS was showing.

At least not at this point. If you would have asked me what I thought of Wlad before he fought Sanders I would have told you, "He is the number one heavyweight contendor and deserves a crack at Lennox Lewis." After some recent shitty performnaces I would say that he doesn't even deserved to be ranked in the top 10. For him to make Byrd come to Germany is insane. Is Wlad living in a dream world? Does he not realize how awful he has looked in his last 2 fights? This guy does not deserve to fight Byrd let alone make the rediculous demand. This is the problem, he and his fans and backers are living off Wlad's past glories and success. If he gets a resounding and uncontroversial win over a guy like Whitaker,or Sanders in a rematch, or even TOS in a rematch, then maybe I will say that he should get a title shot. But as of right now, I don't think he does... 1. Rankings are a very subjective matter. However Wlad does remain well ranked by the leading boxing organizations. 2. Is Wlad living in a dream world? No, he is living in the business world. If he can get the Byrd fight, it will be good for him. Why should not he try to get that fight? 3. Who cares what you will say in the case of Wlad getting a resounding and uncontroversial win over a guy like... Whitaker? The question is: if Wlad soundly beats Byrd, what will you say? :fu2:

Monte Barret. Wlad is coming off a loss to Brewster and a controversial technical win where he was down!!This does not consititute a title shot. And BTW what was so controversial about that win. Yes it may not have been as good of a win as Wlad would have liked, but there was nothing controversial about it. Or do you agree with TOS when he said that the 4th round should have been scored 10-7, Wlad should have been penalized or ever DQ'd for holding, and that the cut was caused by a punch?

Monte Barret. Wlad is coming off a loss to Brewster and a controversial technical win where he was down!!This does not consititute a title shot. Perhaps, but we are talking about other "undeserving" title shots during the past year.

But then again who during the past year has deserved a title shot. Golota, Oquendo, Meehan, Rahman, and Williams did not deserve title shots. The only two I can see as deserving title shots are Sanders for beating Wlad and maybe McCline for beating Boswell. True lkmqef

But then again who during the past year has deserved a title shot. Golota, Oquendo, Meehan, Rahman, and Williams did not deserve title shots. The only two I can see as deserving title shots are Sanders for beating Wlad and maybe McCline for beating Boswell. Monte Barret. Wlad is coming off a loss to Brewster and a controversial technical win where he was down!!This does not consititute a title shot.

As i big klit fan i admitt it, wlad doesnt deserve a title shot at the moment. He needs some good tune upps first. But then again who during the past year has deserved a title shot. Golota, Oquendo, Meehan, Rahman, and Williams did not deserve title shots. The only two I can see as deserving title shots are Sanders for beating Wlad and maybe McCline for beating Boswell.

As i big klit fan i admitt it, wlad doesnt deserve a title shot at the moment. He needs some good tune upps first.

I should have been more clear. One judge had Klit losing the fight. And I can't believe you're trying to prop up the Moli win. Moli is an Argentine club fighter. I also can't believe you're trying to prop up a B level, past his "prime" fighter like Nicholson. No, I don't consider Ruiz a step up. He's champion because he's a King fighter and he fills seats because people want to see him get killed in the ring. As soon as people wise up to that and stop watching, he will be replaced by a new King fighter. Right and that judge should be taken out back and slapped in front of his kids.