Lennox good but not great!

How do you figure he beats Holyfield in his prime? Holyfield hurt Lewis bad a couple of times in their rematch and that Holyfield was way past his prime. Holyfield fucking murders Lewis prime for prime! first of all, did you saw the fight? if yes did you saw the headbutts?. in round 5 few second before lewis tackle holyfield on the rope, holyfield almost headbutted lewis head off., i watched that fight in slowmotion and very closely holyfield headbutts lewis 3 out of 6 times were heavily headbutts. i think holyfiel wasent same fighter as when he was young so he need to use dirty tactic to compensate. and second i think the decision in the first fight effect lewis. like he felt he need to ko holyfield to convince the judges he was wide open almost all the time.

"who did he fight" "who did he fight" you can say that about every fighter that ever lived . He fought the best fighters he could fight in his era. First of all in the 90's we had some good fighters at heavyweight that could have been all time greats in another time Ruddock for one is comparable to Ken Norton in size, power, chin, if not better maybe not in skill but you get the point. To take away from a figher based on things out of his control i feel robs you of the enjoyment of the fighter. You will always compare him with the next guy yet never get a true answer which will leave you unfulfilled. Just take it for what it was Lewis, Tyson, Holyfield, Bowe, are all great fighters now let them be at peace. Just to hold the heavyweight title is a 1 in a billion that is what makes them great

Lets get things straight Lennox fought everybody he was offered at the times!!! If people want to talk about Tyson it should be known that he was being protected by then manager Don King who prefered to take easy fights for the big money being a champ and didn't bank on Holfield being any prolem! Tyson v Lewis in their primes would have been the biggest and best fight of all time but it wasn't meant to be. Who would win? The only thing that is sure is Lennox certainly wouldn't be beaten on points. I would predict Lewis would beat him just like Buster Douglas did. Holfield was the biggest cheat I think I have ever had the misfortune of seeing and wonder why he has a good reputation (Does anybody notice just how many times he leads in with his head in fights). To add to that he aint a natural heavyweight with his tiny 29' waist and he cant be seen as a real champ cause he cant let the sport go gracefully go. Also did he fight Tyson? Certainly NOT!!!!! Bowe doesn't really need explaining (throwing a coverted WBC title into a bin rather than face Lennox) and he was beaten in the olympic finals anyways! Lewis should remain at the top. Im talking No1 guys!!! 2 lucky punches due to complacency are the only bad points on his record. This guy was the perfect athlete and a brilliant ambassedor to the sport. The fact that Lennox has came back from his losses and been even better by having the discipline to change things proves his status! The only problem is where is the next line of great heavyweights going to come from. My tip is Audley Harrison despite his first split decision loss last night. I would love to see Manny Steward train him and get the best out of him just as he did for Lennox after the first McCall fight. Peace out and sorry if i've said something you haven't agreed with but were all different and we all have different opinions. "The Maryport Mauler", "Dangerous" Dave McGibbon

Sure Lennox is a very good heavyweight champion but look at his body of work...what good or great fighter has he beaten that was in their respected primes? Holyfiled was no where near his prime and LL in a lot of peoples minds lost the second fight. Tyson was so far gone it is not even worth mentioning. Maybe Ray Mercer was in his prime but he was probably at the very end of it and I for one think Lennox lost that fight. Did he beat Rock in his prime...yeah I guess he did but the best Rahman I saw was the younger Rock the one that fought Tua the first time in the 220's. One victory that was huge for Lewis was his win over Razor Ruddock but was Ruddock first off any good? And secondly was he in his prime? Ruddock at the time was in the middle of changing styles and trainers and looked very ackward in the ring, the Ruddock that Lewis fought was different then the one Tyson fought. Golota? This was a big victory for Lewis as well, I personally thought that Lewis was in real trouble but he easily beat the polish retard...does this count...I don't think so but maybe you do? Lewis has been around a long time and he was fighting as a serious contender when Holyfiled was in his prime, Tyson was still a very formidable foe when Lewis was whacking guys out of there and of course the mythical matchup that never came to fruition being the fight with Bowe... So I ask all of the members of boxincscene to come up with an argument that puts Lewis in a better light than the one that I portray...too me VK is in his prime and if he were to come back and ko VK that woould be the only guy woth mentioning on LL's resume that he beat in his prime. Lennox Lewis, certainly a good heavyweight Champ, but in Holyfield's class...no fucking way! you cant put Lewis is any better light he was a shitty heavy weight champ there was noone good in the division back then when he was champ just like the Klit bro's and them being the champ/champs there is noone else and the real contenders are all past their prime. I dont think Lewis was ever great or really good for that matter he proved nothing to me throughout his career accept he towered over people and that won him fights.

LOL! It's clear how much credibility this litttle pissant holds in this discussion. who invited you? mind you own fucking business!

ill try to name 9 fighters who could beat lennox lewis: 1. Joe Louis KO 2. Muhammad Ali UD 3. Rocky Marciano KO 4. 1974 George Foreman KO 5. Jack Johnson UD 6. Jack Dempsey KO 7. Jim Jeffries (yes, i said Jim Jeffries) KO 8. Vitali Klitschko TKO 9. 1988 Mike Tyson KO if you want me to explain my answers, i will. LOL! It's clear how much credibility this litttle pissant holds in this discussion.

]] ============================= You know nothing of these boxers, so why do you pose so? Jeffries was a first rate talent and a bit awkward because of a one off style developed for him, but most of his title fights against the top comp of his day went into late rounds and he was outboxed by Corbett and Jeffries before KOing them. Sharkey gave him toe to toe hell. Lewis could easily break him down unless Jeffries were allowed to retrain to the modern style of fighting. Marciano wore down his victims with endless pressure and punches. His early KOs were against journeymen and he was barely better than the older challengers of his generation. Lewis had 50 more lbs of muscle and damn near a foot and half of reach over Rocky. IF Rocky would work inside he'd quickly be KOed by a overhand right or uppercut. This is a mismatch. Rocky sized heavies don't exist anymore. Ever bothered to ask WHY? Jack Johnson never beat a prime heavy close to the caliber of Lewis. Johnson was knocked out by a middleweight and knocked down by another. Lewis would KO Johnson by the 3rd round in an otherwise very boring fight with Johnson holding on for dear life. just saying that lewis would KO marciano, with one punch no less, just proves how stupid you are. lewis would KO johnson in the 3rd? again, thats just a fucking idiot statement made by a fucking idiot. for the sake of every1's intelligence (or lack therof), dont ever post on this forum ever again.

]] ============================= You know nothing of these boxers, so why do you pose so? Jeffries was a first rate talent and a bit awkward because of a one off style developed for him, but most of his title fights against the top comp of his day went into late rounds and he was outboxed by Corbett and Jeffries before KOing them. Sharkey gave him toe to toe hell. Lewis could easily break him down unless Jeffries were allowed to retrain to the modern style of fighting. Marciano wore down his victims with endless pressure and punches. His early KOs were against journeymen and he was barely better than the older challengers of his generation. Lewis had 50 more lbs of muscle and damn near a foot and half of reach over Rocky. IF Rocky would work inside he'd quickly be KOed by a overhand right or uppercut. This is a mismatch. Rocky sized heavies don't exist anymore. Ever bothered to ask WHY? Jack Johnson never beat a prime heavy close to the caliber of Lewis. Johnson was knocked out by a middleweight and knocked down by another. Lewis would KO Johnson by the 3rd round in an otherwise very boring fight with Johnson holding on for dear life.

MAn, you didnt listen to a word I said. Yes, i did and i agree but post was dealing with HW's and Lennox is top 10. ;)

Thats actually not a bad list but some of them are just ridulous. Jim Jeffries thats a joke and Vitali he could not even beat an out of shape Lennox. Marcaino is way to small regardless of his record and power. I also dont think Jack Johnoson or Dempsey have a chance in hell. I agree with Louis, ALi and the 1988 Mike Tyson but even thats a toss up. if dempsey beat some1 as big as jess willard in one of the most one sided matches in history, imagine what he could to do lennox lewis. jim jeffries had awsome defense, endless stamina, a very strong chin, one punch KO power, and his style was VERY VERY awkward. marciano needs to land ONE PUNCH to KO lennox lewis and trust me, marciano would land it, too. saying jack johnson couldnt beat lennox lewis is just outrageous. jack johnson had probly the best defense in HW history. he was the first person to fight with his left foot and left hand in front of his right. johnson had good power, too. saying he couldnt beat lewis is just unforgivable. Joe Louis would RAPE lennox lewis. Muhammad Ali would DESTROY lennox lewis. a 1988 Mike Tyson would possibly beat lewis, but its not a one-sided affair.

Exactly. You can't really do a "who'd beat who" when comparing these champions because conditions and rules change with each passing era. Would these fights take place in the era of the modern fighter or the old timer? 20 rounds or 15 rounds or 12? What sized gloves? There are no right or wrong answers to these questions. It's just as unfair to make Lennox Lewis fight Jack Johnson in a 20 round fight with small gloves as it is to have Johnson fight Lewis with big padded gloves for only 12 rounds. It's impossible to find a neutral "fair" ground to hold these fantasy fights in. When ranking champions you have to go by how they fared in their own era, the talent of their opposition, and the talent and ability they displayed against that opposition.

Thats actually not a bad list but some of them are just ridulous. Jim Jeffries thats a joke and Vitali he could not even beat an out of shape Lennox. Marcaino is way to small regardless of his record and power. I also dont think Jack Johnoson or Dempsey have a chance in hell. I agree with Louis, ALi and the 1988 Mike Tyson but even thats a toss up. MAn, you didnt listen to a word I said.

ill try to name 9 fighters who could beat lennox lewis: 1. Joe Louis KO 2. Muhammad Ali UD 3. Rocky Marciano KO 4. 1974 George Foreman KO 5. Jack Johnson UD 6. Jack Dempsey KO 7. Jim Jeffries (yes, i said Jim Jeffries) KO 8. Vitali Klitschko TKO 9. 1988 Mike Tyson KO if you want me to explain my answers, i will. Thats actually not a bad list but some of them are just ridulous. Jim Jeffries thats a joke and Vitali he could not even beat an out of shape Lennox. Marcaino is way to small regardless of his record and power. I also dont think Jack Johnoson or Dempsey have a chance in hell. I agree with Louis, ALi and the 1988 Mike Tyson but even thats a toss up.

I think everyone is missing the boat as to how they rank the top HW's... You need to rank them just as the same as you rank todays p4p list. For example Ezzard Charles p4p is twice the fighter that LL is but would he beat LL straight up...probably not. Is Ezzard a greater champ, absolutely. Think of it as a p4p not who would beat who, things are far to different no as opposed to then.

First off a prime Holyfield would not murder Lewis and Lewis is top 10 no dought. If u can name 9 heavys who would be favored over Lewis is his prime i would be shocked. I can think of a few ALi, Joe Louis, and maybe Marciano, and Foreman. For the record i dont care how hard the rock hit he would be Murdered by Lewis, he would Jab the rock to death before putting him to sleep. (Lewis is just to big for him the rock had a 68 inch reach and stood 5-10 1/4) Lewis Profile Stands 6'5" Reach 84" weight 240 Pro record 41-2-1 Amateur Record 75-7 (54 kos) In 1984 knocked out Riddick Bowe for Gold Medal. ill try to name 9 fighters who could beat lennox lewis: 1. Joe Louis KO 2. Muhammad Ali UD 3. Rocky Marciano KO 4. 1974 George Foreman KO 5. Jack Johnson UD 6. Jack Dempsey KO 7. Jim Jeffries (yes, i said Jim Jeffries) KO 8. Vitali Klitschko TKO 9. 1988 Mike Tyson KO if you want me to explain my answers, i will.

IBRO historians ranked Lewis in the top 10 greatest heavy list. Of course these are boxing people with long view of history, not a pack of punks posing on a message board.

First off a prime Holyfield would not murder Lewis and Lewis is top 10 no dought. If u can name 9 heavys who would be favored over Lewis is his prime i would be shocked. I can think of a few ALi, Joe Louis, and maybe Marciano, and Foreman. For the record i dont care how hard the rock hit he would be Murdered by Lewis, he would Jab the rock to death before putting him to sleep. (Lewis is just to big for him the rock had a 68 inch reach and stood 5-10 1/4) Lewis Profile Stands 6'5" Reach 84" weight 240 Pro record 41-2-1 Amateur Record 75-7 (54 kos) In 1984 knocked out Riddick Bowe for Gold Medal.

ill put lennox lewis in the top 15 or top 20 greatest HWs of all time, but i will never put him in the top 10 HWs of all time.

Holyfield boring? He was the most consistently exciting heavyweight of the 90's.

I love how this entire thread you have complained about Lewis not fighting anyone in there primes, but when it comes time to match Lewis up against Tyson and Holyfield you choose the Lewis who fought Frank Bruno. Fact is everyone looks bad at certian points. How did Holyfield look against Bert Cooper? or Tyson against Douglas? Then take everyone when they look thier best. Lewis and Holyfield are very boring and dont look like champions in comparison to Tyson,Ali,Frazier, and Foreman.