Trinidad is he a legitimet middleweight or not?

Tito Trinidad greatest Jr Weltwerweight of all tiiiiime

I believe Trinidad has successfully carried his power from weight to weight while still looking good in the ring. I believe he is a good middleweight. Of course he is in the same manner that RJJ is a legit HW.

No you got pretty much exposed in this one and what makes it even worse your PR. Tu eres un mamao y no tengo dudas de eso. You don't know what you're talking about.

Exactly! You are allowed to fight for the title if the sanctioning bodies allow you to. Barrera WAS fighting for the title even though he was 2 pounds overweight. It's at the other fighter's discresion if he wants to put his title on the line while at a disadvantage. I think Jose thinks he knows it all but, in fact, has no clue of what he's talking about. No you got pretty much exposed in this one and what makes it even worse your PR.

That's the weight in right? at the fight they were over 160...right? And about Oscar...He demanded Nard to not weight over 156 at the weight in and not to gain more than 10pnds...right? true true but tito..... he ummmmmm.... TITO SMELLLSS!!!!!!!!!!!!

IMO tito is abig super welter which makes him an average middleweight size wise . what you need to know is that trinidad moved up in weight YEARS BEFORE facing DLH. he stepped up to super welter to face TERRY NORRIS , and had a warm up fight in the division. NORRIS lost to mullings so he moved back to welter , but obviously he could have moved up a long time ago. and Ike QUARTEY started at 140 , did he seem small at junior welter ??not to mention welterweight.

i think the correct term would be that tito only weighed in at 140 a few times. you can still be over the weight limit and have official fights at your weight class unless its a title fight, i believe as long as both fighters agree to it. why youre allowed to do this is beyond me but thats just the way it is. Exactly! You are allowed to fight for the title if the sanctioning bodies allow you to. Barrera WAS fighting for the title even though he was 2 pounds overweight. It's at the other fighter's discresion if he wants to put his title on the line while at a disadvantage. I think Jose thinks he knows it all but, in fact, has no clue of what he's talking about.

don't remember...check boxrec. mofo well it was under 160 just thought that was interesting 157 and 158 atleast oscar fought a real middle wieght not a blown up one

i think the correct term would be that tito only weighed in at 140 a few times. you can still be over the weight limit and have official fights at your weight class unless its a title fight, i believe as long as both fighters agree to it. why youre allowed to do this is beyond me but thats just the way it is. tito has grown over the years i feel he is a complete middle now. he has the power to knock middleweights out, can take a middleweight punch and his stamina is great, what more do you need?

Of course he is a middleweight, when he was "retired" he was around 180...At least when he fought Nard he didn't request Nard not to weight more than 156 like DLH did... :cool: He can even go up to 168 IMO... i dont think the question was can he carry the weight anyone can plump up 20lbs no big deal think he was aksin if hes a "true" as in effective and honestly belongs there Lets see...Dlh and Nard fought at 156...but it was for the middleweight titles... :cool: do you happen to remember what tito and mayo weighed? that was for some intrem title as well

lmao so true by that standard all the HW were straweights at one time :D u cant say the same for butterbean

Of course he is a middleweight, when he was "retired" he was around 180...At least when he fought Nard he didn't request Nard not to weight more than 156 like DLH did... :cool: He can even go up to 168 IMO... why not 175 :D

Ha he was 12 when you use the term "a guy started at" that means what weight did he turn pro at. Not what he weighted when he was a child. lmao so true by that standard all the HW were straweights at one time :D

..... while MAB came in over Junior Jones came in right on the spot at 122. When that happens that fighter who came in overweight he losses the belt on the scales and only his opponent can win it. Jose, Question. If two guys meet for a vacant belt and one is on-weight and one over-weight, they won't be fighting for the same prize? The over-weight guy would be fighting for a "win", while the on-weight guy is fighting for a "title"?

Lets see...Dlh and Nard fought at 156...but it was for the middleweight titles... :cool: *shakes head* 156 is Middleweight dumbass anything over 154 is middleweight

You didn't prove anyone wrong you tard. If anything all you did was confirm how little you know about boxing. Ok, let's see who's wrong. When a fighter comes in overweight (by an ounce or 5 pounds) it is up to the sanctioning body to decide if the fight is still at a certain weight class and if that fight is for a title if the titles are still on the line. Remember when Mayorga was going to fight M.A. Gonzalez but came in at 155? Well, they were still going to fight at WELTERWEIGHT but not for the titles because the weight difference was too much but if M.A. Gonzalez came in at 155 also they would've sanctioned it for the belts because there is no advantage to either fighter. The WBA was going to sanction the fight at Welterweight but chose to allow Mayorga to fight Mitchell instead and still sanctioned it as a 147 pound fight (meaning that it counts for his ranking in the Welterweight division and not the Jr. Middleweight). The same goes for Jose Miguel Cotto; he has fought above 130 pounds for his last six fights but is still classified as a Jr. Lightweight by the sanctioning bodies (WBO # 4, IBF # 8, WBA #12, WBC # 16). Look it up if you don't believe me. Why would they keep him in a division that, according to his weight, he hasn't fought in since 2001? Because that is what they classify him as. When he fights the contracts say a weight above 130 but the fights are still classified as Jr. Lightweight fights. The weights and the divisions they are fighting in are determined in the contracts, not by the weight. If both Bernard Hopkins and Howard Eastman decide to step up to the scales and, by contract, weigh in at 154 pounds, it won't make the fight a Jr. Middleweight fight; if the contract called for a weight not to exceed 162 and both fighters stepped on the scale weighing 161 the fight would still take place at Middleweight and for the Middleweight titles. So, since Tito was classified as a Jr. Welterweight for those fights that is, in fact, what he was. Mayorga vs M.A Gonzales WTF? No its not he was a Weltwerweight. When BOTH you and your opponent are coming in 140+ its a welterweight fight. The examples you are trying to use...even though you just made them up. Are of world title fights and guys who have big time promotors who have gotten exeptions for there champions. Your talking about sanctioning bodies and what not, im sorry but what belt was on the line for Tito's 4 round fights in PR? oh thats right there weren't any. Yes what weight yoiu fight at is determined in contracts, but when you and your opponent both come in well over 140 then its a welterweight fight. Dont you think its a bit odd that not only Tito came in overweight but his opponenst also came in as weltwerweights..hmmm interesting. I found an example. On 1997-04-18 Marco Antonio Barrera fought Junior Jones for the Super Bantamweight title (122 pounds) and officially weighed 124. The WBO sanctioned the bout and the title was on the line. It wasn't a S. Bantamweight vs. a Featherweight; they were both classified as Super Bantamweights. Look here in Boxrec if you don't believe me. Jose, I guess your theory just doesn't hold water. Its not a "theory" its a fact. You pointed that fight but what you forgot is that while MAB came in over Junior Jones came in right on the spot at 122. When that happens that fighter who came in overweight he losses the belt on the scales and only his opponent can win it. sorry but when Tito and his opponents are coming in at 143/144/145 gues what there weltweights.

Don't waste ur time in Jose... He's a member of "I love DLH, Hate Tito" Fan Club... Papi, I just proved him wrong. A ver si ahora se calla la boca.

I found an example. On 1997-04-18 Marco Antonio Barrera fought Junior Jones for the Super Bantamweight title (122 pounds) and officially weighed 124. The WBO sanctioned the bout and the title was on the line. It wasn't a S. Bantamweight vs. a Featherweight; they were both classified as Super Bantamweights. Look here in Boxrec if you don't believe me. Jose, I guess your theory just doesn't hold water.

*Warning Warning* Please take your children away from the computer screen because it about to get very brutal. WRONG Felix Trinidad's first two fighters were at 140. In his 3rd fight with William Lopez Tito weighted in at 144 now I dont know if you know this or not you dumb fuck, but EVERYTHING over 140 is WELTERWEIGHT. If you weight in at 141 you are a WELTERWEIGHT. "Before that, even though he weighed between 139-143, he was an official Jr. Welterweight"-PR Pay attention, if when the time comes to jump on the scale and weight in if you weight 143 YOU ARE A WELTERWEIGHT, you are not "an official Jr. Welterweight" If you weight more than 140. Felix Trinidad all together had 4 fights at 140. 4 Of his first 8 were at 140. My fucking god. School is officially out now hurry up kid, put your football helmet back on, wipe the drool off your chin and hurry up because the short bus is about to pull out and we wouldn't want you to miss your ride. Go home sit in the corner and think about what you've done today. Ok, let's see who's wrong. When a fighter comes in overweight (by an ounce or 5 pounds) it is up to the sanctioning body to decide if the fight is still at a certain weight class and if that fight is for a title if the titles are still on the line. Remember when Mayorga was going to fight M.A. Gonzalez but came in at 155? Well, they were still going to fight at WELTERWEIGHT but not for the titles because the weight difference was too much but if M.A. Gonzalez came in at 155 also they would've sanctioned it for the belts because there is no advantage to either fighter. The WBA was going to sanction the fight at Welterweight but chose to allow Mayorga to fight Mitchell instead and still sanctioned it as a 147 pound fight (meaning that it counts for his ranking in the Welterweight division and not the Jr. Middleweight). The same goes for Jose Miguel Cotto; he has fought above 130 pounds for his last six fights but is still classified as a Jr. Lightweight by the sanctioning bodies (WBO # 4, IBF # 8, WBA #12, WBC # 16). Look it up if you don't believe me. Why would they keep him in a division that, according to his weight, he hasn't fought in since 2001? Because that is what they classify him as. When he fights the contracts say a weight above 130 but the fights are still classified as Jr. Lightweight fights. The weights and the divisions they are fighting in are determined in the contracts, not by the weight. If both Bernard Hopkins and Howard Eastman decide to step up to the scales and, by contract, weigh in at 154 pounds, it won't make the fight a Jr. Middleweight fight; if the contract called for a weight not to exceed 162 and both fighters stepped on the scale weighing 161 the fight would still take place at Middleweight and for the Middleweight titles. So, since Tito was classified as a Jr. Welterweight for those fights that is, in fact, what he was.

Legitimate Middle? We can talk all day, but there's just one way to prove it. Seek today's top Middles and go at it. Right now, Tito would be rightfully a "legitimate" Middle if he fought well against Sturm for instance. Make that fight happen and wipe away any thoughts of not being "legitimate". As far as Tito beating the WBA holder, that doesn't give you a whole lot of braggin' rights.