just read a post about tsyzu vs delahoya where someone said
both were all time greats..
seeing as tsyzus only had just over 30 fights can he
really be called that..your views please :lol:
and hes been koed
Think it is still too early to decide if he is an all time great, since his carreer has not ended yet. People tend to remember fighters last fights (example Spinks was highly regarded before being destroyed by Tyson). So until he hangs up the golves for good, his place in the all time list not be really validated.Spinks is still highly regarded as a lightheavyweight. In most lists of all-time lightheavyweight greats of highly respected journals, he occupies a slot at the top ten.
He lost to Tyson as a heavyweight, well above his best fighting weight.
But I agree, Spinks, like the man he beat--Holmes-- for a tighter grip of his all-time status, is one great fighter often overlooked--but, that it not all because of the loss to Tyson (only partly so). It is just that for most of the history of boxing, lightheavy, smack in the middle of the glamour divisions such as the heavy and the middle, has always been the lesser neighbor.
Only the devoted of boxing fans remember Sam Langford--a light heavy, and one of the greatest of all time regardless of weight. There are even those among fans who remember Sam only because he fought heavyweights!
The lightheavyweights used to be where the cruisers are now... :o
Just because Roy Jones has recently sucumbed to old age doesn`t mean he is less of a fighter. He achieved quite a bit in his career and dominated teh lightheavy weight division for almost 7 yrs. This guy is an all time great, he should be ranked higher than Tsyzu.The argument may rage on for quite a while. Roy dominated the light heavies for some 7 years, right; but Tzyu, did it for 10 (with one debacle in the hands of Philipps, one can still call it "domination" as he virtually rolled over all subsequent opponents; e.g., the U.S. is still the dominant world power even after Vietnam and with all the problems in Iraq, and nobody's saying it isn't). There has been a lot of complaints about Roy's roster of victims, little has been heard about Tszyu's. Roy has been reported countless times as having ducked (a return match) Hopkins for years--only conceding for a possible rematch after Hop appeared to have advanced in age; but that possibility remained in the realm of possibility, becoming ever more remote now. Tszyu has never been reported to have ducked anyone.
But the more interesting discussion to me would be Oscar-Kostya. The Golden Boy has faced (and lost most) nearly every big name in his vicinity; Tszyu still has to face one. At catchweight of 144, the fight should be staged. Why 144? So that Kostya can claim he fought below the next higher division and gets a chance to have a win (if a win it shall be)listed as a jr. welter win. And Oscar, if he wins, has a shot at improving his welterweight all-time status. ;)
Think it is still too early to decide if he is an all time great, since his carreer has not ended yet. People tend to remember fighters last fights (example Spinks was highly regarded before being destroyed by Tyson). So until he hangs up the golves for good, his place in the all time list not be really validated.
He was just calling you on your smartass post about how you wouldn't put KT in your top 100 you flaming idiot. You probably can't even list 100 welterweights and your talking trash. Get the point?
Dude, you're the idiot.
How about Gatti? No love for my boy? I honestly think Gatti is an all-time great. I like him better than Kosta whatever his name is. On a side note, I alwyas thought that guy was Japanese. Guess he's Russian. I would never have guessed.. lol.
Yeah, I gotta lot of respect for Gatti too.
See the problem with Tszu is that he has lacked the big fights. he has beaten some very good fighters but not the likes of a mayweather or a De la Hoya etc..
He did KO Zab Judah and this is probably his best win but apart from that he hasn`t got the name reconition on his record. He is one of the best Jnr Welters of all time, maybe top three material but he needs a fight with a big name future legend. JC Chavez don`t count because he was shot to bits, but I think a De La Hoya fight or Mosley if Mosley can get his act together and won so meaningful fights would make sense. Of course the best fight out there at Jnr Welter is one against Mayweather Jnr but i don`t think HBO and showtime will work that one out, too much money and too much risk on both sides.
You guys don't think Judah is as good as Mayweather? Shucks
Kostya Tsyzu..all time great???
I think Kostya Tszyu has done enough in and out of the ring to be considered on of the all time greats. I believe that he and Bernard Hopkins are the 2 best fighters of this mellinium
How about Gatti? No love for my boy? I honestly think Gatti is an all-time great. I like him better than Kosta whatever his name is. On a side note, I alwyas thought that guy was Japanese. Guess he's Russian. I would never have guessed.. lol.
In all seriousness, I like Tszyu as a fighter...very exciting to watch. DLH is a good fighter as well. I'm not trying to put these guys down but when I seen "all time great" I just gave my opinion on both fighters that's all.
Merry Christmas fellas!
Merry Christmas! Expose nah...I can dig up another Top 100, it changes ever other day. :p
Merry Christmas you fraudulent fucker! :p
If you decide to dig up another one, please...don't use any of mine. Thank you.
Oscar is a great fighter and would go down in the hall of fame.I give him credit for stepping up to the challenge and fighting big names. But how many really big names did he beat.
He lost to Mosley twice, tito, Hopkins and should of lost to sturm.
He would lose to all of them again, if he eva got a rematch.
he lost to sturm n hopkins n mosley tha 1st time, but not to mosley rematch and tito
he lost sturm and hopkins because that was not his weight class
Does this ranking look familiar to another one;
www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?t=219104&page=2
Tam-Tam, is that you?
P.S. Be careful how you answer that question because I know Tam-Tam VERY, VERY, VERY well. ;)
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