I think Tarver won, but he really didn't do it convincingly. Johnson was the aggressor the entire fight, but Tarver was landing a lot more and a lot harder punches.
I think it was a bad decision, but I guess I can blame Tarver for letting it be so close by constantly backing up.
I think I can also blame the Nevada State Athletic Commission for using geriatric judges.
I thought tarver EDGED Johnson....but I wasn't bothered by the decision.
There was not a whole lot to choose between the two.
A rematch would suit everyone.....
Johnson won because he brought his fight to tarver while tarver backpedaled most of the time. It was a difficult fight to judge I admit and the judge who gave tarver 4 points advantage after the fight must have put some money on the man. Damn, how can that be 4 points! Compubox are well... compubox!, they cannot judge!
compubox is a joke. if they are gonna do compubox they might as well do effective aggressivness and ring generalship and defense as well. as st pointed out alot of those punches tarver threw were sliding off tarvers gloves and arms. he had no aggressiveness, no ring generalship and a decent defense. that being said i thought tarver landed more clean punches, his aggressivness was definately effective at keeping tarver backpeddaling, clearly ring generalship was better than tarvers but defense was less than tarvers. another thing to take into consideration when reading the judges score cards is that we at home obviously get the best view. the 3 judges are seated at 3 different side of the ring. therefore each judge sees a different perspective. what one judge sees may not be visable from where one of the other judges is sitting. what may be missed could be very important. personally i thought it was a robbery the first time i watched it. but then i went back and watched it a few more times. taking all these things into consideration i scored it closer to a draw but if i had to choose who won it would have been johnson.
ok too tired (Ostoned) to read all the posts..
heres my verdict having NOT seen the fight.
if most (is it most) people score it 116-114 tarver
how is johnson getting 115-113 twice controversial.
from the commentary it appeared johnson threw more punches
and tarver landed the bigger shots..
seems the judges scored based on aggression as we know
they do..and the commentators always point it out (yawn)
its about time the system was al least reviewed though..
because unless theres a ko these big fights can be a joke.
maybe johnson did actually win..
maybe byrd and ruiz beat golota..
or they did enough for the judges. :mad:
just hope pac - jmm aint marred by more controversy..
I understand some Tarver fans being upset, but at the same time, I have seen MUCH worse decisions in this sport, to me Johnson did enough to win it, and I really don't pay much attention to Compu Box numbers, I saw Johnson picking off Tarvers' punches with his elbows and gloves all night long.
I must admit though, it was a very entertaining fight, and in the end I scored it a draw because Tarver lost the 10th and the 11th rounds and perhaps didn't even do enough to "win" the 12th although I, myself, gave it to him by a VERY slight margin in the final round....
I had Tarver up 115-113. He landed more and harder punches. Not a robbery by any means, but a wrong decision. Glencoffe did not display effective aggressiveness. However, the close decision couldn't have gone to a more deserving guy. So bring on the rematch.
:D DAMN! I have just lost 9.6 M points on that fight. I went for TARVER by KO.:D but no hard feelings, Tarver FAILED to deliver the goods. I don't think he was robbed, that was a good close fight, some rounds were very hard to score. Tarver simply faded away in the later rounds and Johnson's aggresiveness worked for him. Finally justice for Johnson.
i wouldnt go so far as to call it a robbery as it was a great close fight. it seems to me that tarver's stamina was lacking in that fight as he looked really tired in the championship rounds just as he did in the first roy jones fight. tarver allowed johnson to stay in the fight by not staying busy enough to win rounds, he simply gave them away
Tarver isn't the dominating fighter i thought he would be. I'm so glad Johnson won this fight, i think he is a really nice levelheaded guy. Very modest about his ability and always gives 100% in and out of the ring.
Under the circumstances that currently exist, a Tarver loss makes a rematch look a little bit more compelling than a Johnson loss, doesn't it? ;) ;) ;)
Definetly
If it was Tarver winning by Split Decision,a rematch most likely wouldn't happen.
Under the circumstances that currently exist, a Tarver loss makes a rematch look a little bit more compelling than a Johnson loss, doesn't it? ;) ;) ;)
It was an awesome fight, I would have been satisfied with either one winning or it being a draw. Such a back in forth battle. My card matched Lederman's card to a tee!
They really have to fight a rematch, it was too close to close the show on this fight.
The only thing that bothered me in this fight was how many references Lampley made to the RJJ fights.
I smell a trilogy starting here.
It could have gone either way but Johnson has been robbed so many times isn't good to see it go his way for once. It was very close but to call it a robbery would be kind of extreme.
it was a close enough fight that the word 'robbery' isn't fair.
I was just thinking that when I saw you post. I used the word in response to the other thread.
hell no...it was a close fight..tarver f'ed up by resting one of the "championship round (10)"...anyway i dont think any of them deserved to win..bu i am glad glen won..anyway..(rematch of course is coming up,cuz it the best money out there for both)
its weird when tarver loses and look like he lost his best freind in the rinf after the fight i feel sorry for him..but when he does win he act like a a-hole and i hate him...me and tarver have a weird relationship lol...bastard :D
Just out of curiosity, how did you have the fight scored?
Unfortunatly I didn't score it tonight,lol.I knew it would be close and it could have gone either way much like most of the MAB-Morales Trilogy fights.