i would pick bernard 9 out of 10 times if they fight.tito skills are no where as close as hopkins skills. de la hoya and hopkins made tito look like he was an amateur.Tito has trouble with people who use their legs.i want to see tito win against a true middleweight than i might give him more of a chance of beating hopkins
I disagree, DLH did land more pitty-pat punches, but Tito landed more power punches. Tito was also the aggresser in the fight. Tito did get hit, but some of those punches the fans & the announcers went crazy for were blocked. I think Tito will definately fight better in the ramtch with Hopkins and pull out a KO.
Hopkins condition has not been damaged by his age, he has more experience, the wisdom to use that experience, and his intelligence is the same if not improved. Tito as well has become mentally sharper, and his condition hasnt been fkd by a vacation. He was training for a long time even as a retired fighter. Tito's style however has not changed, and Hopkins' intelligence and ring wisdom allows him to do what Great fighters do, make adjustments, and he has the wisdom, like i said, to use his experience. Tito is a fearsome physical presence fighting, power with both hands, sound defense, and heart the size of the entire island of puerto rico, and Hopkins is an excellent fighter all around with intelligence and creativity in the ring, he can simultanusly study and adjust to his opponents strengths/weaknessess. Y? its not a godgiven talent, its because he has trained himself to do so since the beginning instead of jus relying on physical talents. i see a difficult fight for both, they are both different fighters with difficult styles. Tito is a sound all around, and so is hopkins. In my opinion, if Hopkins come in focused and mentally sharp as he did and has, and i do believe he will, i believe its a 12 rd decision for Hopkins. or maybe sooner, who knows?
i was going to post on this topic but you more or less said what i was going to say, i agree 100%.
Hopkins condition has not been damaged by his age, he has more experience, the wisdom to use that experience, and his intelligence is the same if not improved. Tito as well has become mentally sharper, and his condition hasnt been fkd by a vacation. He was training for a long time even as a retired fighter. Tito's style however has not changed, and Hopkins' intelligence and ring wisdom allows him to do what Great fighters do, make adjustments, and he has the wisdom, like i said, to use his experience. Tito is a fearsome physical presence fighting, power with both hands, sound defense, and heart the size of the entire island of puerto rico, and Hopkins is an excellent fighter all around with intelligence and creativity in the ring, he can simultanusly study and adjust to his opponents strengths/weaknessess. Y? its not a godgiven talent, its because he has trained himself to do so since the beginning instead of jus relying on physical talents. i see a difficult fight for both, they are both different fighters with difficult styles. Tito is a sound all around, and so is hopkins. In my opinion, if Hopkins come in focused and mentally sharp as he did and has, and i do believe he will, i believe its a 12 rd decision for Hopkins. or maybe sooner, who knows?
i would pick bernard 9 out of 10 times if they fight.tito skills are no where as close as hopkins skills. de la hoya and hopkins made tito look like he was an amateur.Tito has trouble with people who use their legs.i want to see tito win against a true middleweight than i might give him more of a chance of beating hopkins
My heart tell me Tito and my head nard.I do give tito a chance,he had a lot of personal problems pre-fight that's why many fans want the rematch if he loose again it will be against the great nard,not shame on that .I think that a focus tito can beat hopkins in the rematch as well Mab has a chanse against the pac man,he got personal problems before the fight too.Even a 100% in shape great boxer is nothing if isn't focus.
Okay first of all, some people post and have no knowledge of boxing whats so ever. I just finished watching the fight between Hop and Tito. Let me say this Hop circled beautiful always to his left, this was to disable the punching power of trinidad the left hook. Secondly alot of you guys make it seem as if the fight was a one sided fight. The fight was extremelly competive, Tito hit hop with some got punches, but do to the circling, the power wasnt effective. Third Trinidad followed and hunted Hopkins throughout the whole fight. All hop did was counter him. When hop tried to stand and would get hit, he would bail fast, which was smart. But why would A BIGGER guy whom is said to be a natural at this weight division ever move away. Why would he stay and fight or pound it out..
I copmpletely broke this fight down, taking notes, watching some rounds two or three times.I did this because of all the stuff I read on this forum regarding on how one sided this fight was, Trinidad never hit hopkins and so on, To my findings if Trinidad adjusted some stuff he would beat Hopkins. All he really had to do was pressure hopkins and not foloow him directly, throw punches in combos..
enough said
Im so confident that if they had a rematch TiTO would win, Im not justifying this because Im a fan. Im not I just love the sport. I just saw to many upside to him in the fight.
Put it this way I have about $32,000 saved in my bank account from a refy of my house, If they ever have a rematch I will take Trinidad. If anyone on this board would like to bet. Pm me, we will exchange info and set up an account with a loan agent. Ill take Tito in a rematch
Hopkins is kind of a mystery to me. Some fights He doesn't look that good to me at all. Then with Tito he looks amazing. Can he pull of another perfect fight? Thats the question. The only time Hopkins looked like the p4p best is when he faught Tito. I think if Tito changes his style up a little, It may be harder for Bernard to counter him. Im sure he wont fight Hopkins the same way he did the first time. I'll admitt, Hopkins doesn't really give me any reason to doubt him against Tito. But I just have a hunch that the rematch would be a lot closer. Hence the 50/50.
agree 100% colonel. I think the real issue isn`t the Hopkins / Trinidad rematch it is more likely why are fans convinced Tito will win? It is sad to see that even the most informed fan is rooting for a guy who can punch and do not much else. These facts should bring them back to earth:
1. Tito has been floored something like 10 times and stopped before, Nard has been floored something like three times and never stopped.
2. The Oscar De La Hoya fight, most people feel Oscar won, no one argues with any of the Hopkins verdicts except the first Marcado fight because people thought Hopkins was robbed.
3. In the middleweight division Trinidad is 3 - 1 - 0( 3 kos ) Hopkins is
45 - 1 - 1 NC1 ( 32 kos ) at middleweight ( his first fight, a points loss was at crusierweight )
4. Big powerful Tito couldn`t stop De La Hoya, Bernard did
So how is Tito gonna beat the p4p best? answer is he won`t and the only reason i`d wanna see a rematch is to finailly shut Tito`s fans up and bring the attention to the real champion, Hopkins!
How is it a toss up? Tito beat a limited mayora in his fight in October and now he is 50/50 against Nard? I would maybe be inclined to agree if the first fight was close but Tito was HAMMERED, HE WASN`T IN TEH FIGHT. Why on earth is he 50/50? Because of his power? His power didn`t budge Hopkins first time i don`t thinng k it will do teh job a 2nd time.
Claiming Tito is 50/50 in a rematch is like saying Hector Camacho Snr is 50/50 in a rematch Vs oscar De La Hoya! One sided beatings are one sided beatings. Why is it that Tito and Tyson fans have to cloud their judgement with their hearts rather than their heads? Exciting one punch power does not mean you are gonna win rematches, wait till Tito beats someone world class at middleweight, then you can big him up. If you wanna chat middleweights, lets talk about how Hopkins has dominated for 10 yrs!
Couldn't have said it better myself..
beautiful post..
How is it a toss up? Tito beat a limited mayora in his fight in October and now he is 50/50 against Nard? I would maybe be inclined to agree if the first fight was close but Tito was HAMMERED, HE WASN`T IN TEH FIGHT. Why on earth is he 50/50? Because of his power? His power didn`t budge Hopkins first time i don`t thinng k it will do teh job a 2nd time.
Claiming Tito is 50/50 in a rematch is like saying Hector Camacho Snr is 50/50 in a rematch Vs oscar De La Hoya! One sided beatings are one sided beatings. Why is it that Tito and Tyson fans have to cloud their judgement with their hearts rather than their heads? Exciting one punch power does not mean you are gonna win rematches, wait till Tito beats someone world class at middleweight, then you can big him up. If you wanna chat middleweights, lets talk about how Hopkins has dominated for 10 yrs!
I think Hopkins can win quicker next time, maybe in eight rds. Hopkins hasn`t really shown any signs of flagging. Just because he is old doesn`t mean he is shot, look at Tsyzu after the long lay off. Tito couldn`t win a rd against Nard, he isn`t gonna beat him a 2nd time.
Yea i think that Tito is bein smart about this, even though Hopkins is coming off the back of a good win he is gettin older and i think Tito is at a good age and a win over Hopkins could see him rule the division for a while