Prime Hamed versus Today's PacMan

Moon21y ago

I’m definitely not a big fan of PacMan. But, putting a prime Hamed in the ring with today’s PacMan is an exciting offering. I see PacMan winning, for a few very simple reasons that can be illustrated (partly) from the Hamed-Barrera fight. It’s not that you can compare Pac’s style with MAB, but you can definitely learn a few lessons about Hamed when you review that fight. First, Hamed doesn’t like to get hit. MAB exposed the mental softness of Hamed, by simply fighting like MAB always fights ….. intensely, consistently, with heart. After MAB tagged hamed for the first time, Hamed must have thought “hey Mexican guy, don’t you know I’m The Prince, you’re not supposed to be hitting me like that. Didn’t you see my entrance?”. Most of Hamed’s opponents showed him respect, which they should have, but MAB decided to command respect, and Hamed shit his pants and lost his game plan when he saw MAB was gonna’ set the pace. Fast forward to 2004 and bring a Prime Hamed with you. And assume that the Hamed-Barrera fight has never happened. Now put Pac in there with Hamed. What we get is a repeat of Hamed-MAB. Why? Because Hamed starts the fight “thinking” he’s going to beat this guy, but quickly figures out that he’s actually going to need to fight this guy to win. Hamed would see the pace being set at a very high level, and maintained there, while getting hit and not having PacMan backing down. Hamed, frustrated, begins throwing big lefts to end the fight quick, he forgets about countering and any other skill he brings, because he’s not able to control the fight/fighter in front of him. Only difference is that Hamed gets KO’s in late rounds by a big left that doesn’t see at all. He retires and never fights again. Unless you count that guy from Spain, which is pretty much the same as never fighting again. Just kidding. It really is too bad that Hamed’s skills, of which he possessed some, became overwhelmed by his arrogance. That killed the fighter in him. He lost heart against MAB, became much more soft in the head, and will never recover. His fight game is to beat-up guys, without getting bruised or banged. That’s not the fight that waits for him with PacMan.

Comments (20)

Run8964

Ok. This is absolutely silly. There is no way in hell Hamed could deal with the pressure Pacman would bring. Did you see him practicing his acrobatic backfips against M.A.B, trying to avoid a punch? Pac would have him on skates going backwards, and completely trashing Hamed. This is one fight where I doubt Naz could go the distance. He would be facing a fighter who is stronger, faster, smarter, and more durable. Manny would knock him out late in the fight. I dont care how "slick" he is. Never pay again for live sex! | Hot girls doing naughty stuff for free! | Chat for free!

21y ago

Sulpiride

Pacman would be ahead on point before being dropped while trading mid-rounds.Great fight but even pacman would need to be a lot more defensively-minded than he is at present. I could see Naz dropped once or twice however. For those who mentions guys who outboxed hamed (usually being KOed late), who has Pacman really outboxed?

21y ago

michael_Q

comparing arrogance between passion, i pick passion! manny will brutalize those prince's and king's of arrogance!

21y ago

Saldy

First on Luisito Espinosa's chance against the Prince. That would have been 50-50. If Luisito would have been careless, he would have been KOd. But if he managed to avoid being hit in the chin, he would have won by a UD. How many time was Pacquiao hit by Morales with a power punch? But never did his knees buckled. And in now do I believe that Hamed hits harder than Morales. And if Kelly was able to knock down Hamed, I think the Pacman can do that too! Boxingwise, Hamed has no chance, wrestling - he has! :-)

21y ago

markosg19

hamed beat manuel medina in his first or second defence, he ko'd him. Medina has come back to win the world title twic since then. He beat tom boom boom johnson who was ranked no one when they fought. wilfrdo vaquez was wba champion when hamed fought him, but was stripped. Paul ingle came back after a hamed defeat to become world champion.

21y ago

BBFM

I still beleive barrera had a bad night and would beat pacman in a rematch.

21y ago

Run8964

The Prince is the man in this case. One hit wounder Pacman wont cut it. Oh yeah? who exactly has Prince beat? besided Cesar Soto? Never pay again for live sex! | Hot girls doing naughty stuff for free! | Chat for free!

21y ago

Bones4

Pac man takes it, not even a question Part of being a champion is being able to rise to the occasion. Hamed flat quit against Barrera, Pac man blew him out. Hamed was simular to Tyson. He was a bully and a bully is only good when others fear him. When stood up to the bully much like Hamed and Tyson crumble. Hamed was all sizzle and no steak. Pac Man 5th round Ko in a hard fought 5 rounds. Keep your hands up, Bones www.kingofboxing.com

21y ago

m00ks

That is just plain fuckin' funny. For what it's worth, here's the way I saw the draw unfolding: JMM Pac 1 6 10 2 9 10 3 10 9 4 9 10 5 10 9 6 10 9 7 10 9 8 9 10 9 10 9 10 9 10 11 10 9 12 10 9 I watched and wrote the scores on 12 pieces of paper and tried not to keep a running tally. That 10-6 should have won it. By squaring up, JMM narrowed the distance for that straight left that he wasn't expecting. I think he was thinking of countering of a hit, except he went down before he can couter. I have the fight, watched it a good 12 or so times. Watching which punches land which didbn't. Here ya go, Manny P JMM Round 1: 10 6 Round 2: 10 9 Round 3: 9 10 Round 4: 9 10 round 5: 9 10 round 6: 9 10 round 7: 9 10 round 8: 10 9 round 9: 10 9 round 10: 10 9 round 11: 9 10 round 12: 9 10 final score: 113-112 for Pac round 7, 8 were hella close. round 12 JMM edged Pac slightly but was close as well. Like you I had it 7 rounds to five: The first round DID make the difference. But I also can't believe Jutras only gave 2 rounds for Manny :eek: I meaan comme onn.

21y ago

dustymoo

Hamed looked great knocking out jouneymen. When the Yanks says he was over-rated, they were right. Besides the obvious, does anyone remember how Paul Ingle was outboxing Hamed, until the 11th, when Hamed connected with a perfect short right hand?

21y ago

Moon

Fredie Roach also thinks Marquez does not want to fight Manny! Marquez needs the fight more. Oh, now it's abundantly clearer to me, now that you say Freddie Roach agrees with you. Marquez needs nothing. I believe it's Barrera who really needs a Pac fight, and maybe Morales might soon need a rematch with Pac too (but I very strongly doubt that). But, Marquez will have Manny someday again, and he won't have to bargain at all. It will be pretty much name-your-price. Marquez knows this, he's not a Chump, he's Champ. Pac fans need to let go of Marquez and start thinking/yalking about Morales, who's right in front of Pac.

21y ago

Palma

If Hamed in his prime had faced a primed Pac I think it would have been a good and close fight. It all depends how composed Pac could stay during the entire match. hamed was famous for frustrating his opponents due to his antics in the ring. If Pac could stay as cool as MAB than I see him winning within 6 rounds

21y ago

Moon

I think it was also Marquez who had his shoulders squared up ..... just asking for it. That is just plain fuckin' funny. For what it's worth, here's the way I saw the draw unfolding: JMM Pac 1 6 10 2 9 10 3 10 9 4 9 10 5 10 9 6 10 9 7 10 9 8 9 10 9 10 9 10 9 10 11 10 9 12 10 9 I watched and wrote the scores on 12 pieces of paper and tried not to keep a running tally. That 10-6 should have won it.

21y ago

m00ks

If Pacman floored Marquez 3 times then he should be the one who wants the rematch the most but instead He over priced himself for not to fight! Fredie Roach also thinks Marquez does not want to fight Manny! Marquez needs the fight more. Who do you think is more bankable if you are a promoter Pacman or Marquez? JMM wanted more money. End of discussion. He wanted 1.5 million and would have negotiated if Arum didn't turn his back on him. why would you start training in november if you fight in feb and suddenly backout?

21y ago

pacmanrulz

Cuz he wanted more money. But asked for too much in my opinion. He ain't afraid. He just wants to be compensated for risking his career. What's wrong with that. WTF? How am I discrediting Pacquiao for the KDs? If Pacman floored Marquez 3 times then he should be the one who wants the rematch the most but instead He over priced himself for not to fight! Fredie Roach also thinks Marquez does not want to fight Manny! Marquez needs the fight more. Who do you think is more bankable if you are a promoter Pacman or Marquez?

21y ago

m00ks

Interesting, really. I'm not shittin' ya. If Pac had not come out blazin' in the first round, I'm sure Marquez would not have either. Then Pac would have played Marquez and sprung on him later? Nah. Pac and Roach's plan was working exactly as they wanted in the 1st Round, except that JMM was still there for the start of the 2nd. Pac and Roach knew too well that they needed to catch JMM very early before JMM got comfortable enough to realize that Pac was brining a limited (but effective) arsenal. Unfortunately, once Marquez figured out Pac was going to keep coming with that same take-you-out move, Marquez's night was easier cause he could see the openings that Pac was offering. I say easier, because it's so true. When you get predictable, you're giving a gift to such a monster counterer and you're not going to win many rounds. Well I mean round 1? It's like he exploded. I don't think he wouldn't have blitz a champ in the first round SPECIALLY a counterpuncher but I could be wrong. I think it was also Marquez who had his shoulders squared up and was aggressive. It was just asking for it. Marquez backed off after that and waited. Althought it took a good 4-5 rounds I think Pac was able to adjust contrary to what some say a "blow-out" which i think is ridiculous. The later rounds we're harder to score. When you're only throwing one punch its hard to be effective though. What surprised me is that Marquez still got shit flush many times and only landing 10 more punches than Manny while teh latter only threw the straight left :eek:

21y ago

Moon

Well to be honest I think them powerpunches weren't even meant for the first round. Interesting, really. I'm not shittin' ya. If Pac had not come out blazin' in the first round, I'm sure Marquez would not have either. Then Pac would have played Marquez and sprung on him later? Nah. Pac and Roach's plan was working exactly as they wanted in the 1st Round, except that JMM was still there for the start of the 2nd. Pac and Roach knew too well that they needed to catch JMM very early before JMM got comfortable enough to realize that Pac was bringing a limited (but effective) arsenal. Unfortunately, once Marquez figured out Pac was going to keep coming with that same take-you-out move, Marquez's night was easier cause he could see the openings that Pac was offering. I say easier, because it's so true. When you get predictable, you're giving a gift to such a monster counterer and you're not going to win many rounds.

21y ago

m00ks

Why did he chickened out in the rematch then? I think your discrediting Pacman for flooring Marquez 3 times. Did Marquez floored Pacman? I dont think so because he does not have what it takes! Cuz he wanted more money. But asked for too much in my opinion. He ain't afraid. He just wants to be compensated for risking his career. What's wrong with that. WTF? How am I discrediting Pacquiao for the KDs?

21y ago

morancito

Let's see in 2 perspectives. If 3 knock down rule was in effect, Manny won. If that guy scored the first round like the other 2 judges as well as Harold Lederman, Manny won. So let's say he won that fight. Or better yet, let's say he didn't. Because, you know, he actually did not win the fight. But don't ever let facts get in the way of your making an argument.

21y ago

pacmanrulz

Man you're just looking down on these two fighters right there. Pac DID try to take advantage of a guy who's hurt. THAT'S HIS BREAD AND BUTTER so if and when he sees the oppurtunity for the knock out, he'll go for the kill. IT'S HIS INSTINCT. JMM got floored once, what did Pac do? Tried to take Marquez' head off again. Floored him a second time, what did Pac do? Kept pressing. Floored him for the third time, what did Pac do? KEPT ON THE PRESSURE. If that ain't taking advantage of a guy who's hurt Munn, then you should probably tell me what is. He fought 1-dimensional and that's what made him look bad, that's what gave him that over-used label. Amnesia spreads and people forget his previous performances. Marquez was custom made for Pac. Anyone would have a hardtime with an opponent who's counterpunching for 12 rounds out. The openings are just so much slimmer and your timing has to be flawless. That's why JMM is holding two belts. Should JMM have been put away? Sure! But Marquez WOULN'T ALLOW IT. You ain't talking about no patsy. This is a champ, and you beared witness to his heart and will. You cannot blind yourself of that fact. Honestly fuck the belts. It's the recognition and respect. He's done enough to earn both. Hey he's undefeated against the elites of a new division right? So where's the beef :D March 20 Munn, you and me should have a nice lil chat... Why did he chickened out in the rematch then? I think your discrediting Pacman for flooring Marquez 3 times. Did Marquez floored Pacman? I dont think so because he does not have what it takes!

21y ago