S.R. Leoanrd vs Roberto Duran

People believe he sold out, that fight. In Panama where is loved the most he was considered a sell-out and couldnt set foot there for a few years. Many people trying to make a documentary on Duran and that Fight have said that Duran wants a lot of money so he can protect himself of the legal problems what would arise from him revealing the actual truth about the rematch. (sell out) :lol1: 1:39 "NO MAS.." LMAO... QUITTER..!!!! It's nothing you can say, We got it on TAPE.... THE PUnk Muthafucka QUIT... it's on the TAPE... I AM NOT MAKING THIS SHIT UP... IT'S RIGHT HERE.. HE IS A FUCKING COWARD..!! Look at the Tape..!!! :boxing: That is the HISTORY of Duran right there... QUITTING IN HIS BIGGEST FIGHT.... Duran is a Clown..FOR QUITTING... LOL :lol1: "NO MAS":gay: THREAD CLOSED...!!! REAL FIGHTERS DONT QUIT "NO MAS" PART 1 EVERYBODY WATCH THE VIDEO..... HERE IS SOME MORE PROOF...!! "NO MAS" PART 2 QUITTER..!!!! It's nothing you can say, We got it on TAPE.... FROM DURAN AND DURAN TRAINER HIMSELF...!!! HE QUIT....PLAN AND SIMPLE...

Johnny blazz...these duran nuthuggers will say duran cramps in his stomach, even if he didnt have a stomach....They simply do not respect facts, and swing on Duran nuts as if he is the 2nd coming. They say he was unbeatable at lightweight..hmmmm didnt he have a loss? They give credit for a fight in june of 1980 but none for nov of the same year...and they try to say he blew up for the first fight, but dont realize or accept he blew up before every fight, as many fighters do...I even heard someone say he only had 3 weeks to train for this fight...Wow....When the truth is he had 2 months as he always does. I would think that in a book about duran fased off of info from duran..it would be pro duran...and If this is from Duran's own mouth, and he states there was no cramps, that he may have had to lose 5 additonal pounds form the 2nd fight over the 1st fight, that leonard was not a man and was a clown that is how he beat him,,,It seems to me the writing is on the wall.

Wow...this guy just doenst give up. He doesnt realize how ignorant he sounds.....Duran is not a writer, so sorry he did not write it..How about you get the book first..2ndly..."Journalist Christian Giudice has written the definitive story on Duran's extraordinary life in and out of the ring. He wrote this from 1st interviews with Duran, his family, and his closest friends, and scores of opponents to seperate the truth from the myth and get to the heart of one of the most intriguing sports stars of modern times"..... This is on the front inside sleeve, so you other attempt at creating an excuse to someone keep the myths alive is again slapped down by FACTS>>> In fact what fact have you posted, that either I have not already posted or is not part of this debate. You and other Duran fans are a joke. You want to force your view on every one that Duran is a god. Any factual information posted you have an excuse for, even now Durans own words..your trying to say it is not valid, relevant, credible or whatever your point is... I have repeatedly ask you all to address the 20+ fights Duran has have vs fighters with records that are univerally considered Horrible at 0-3 or 10-11 at best...and yet he fought them as a champ..Why not discuss that. I guess it is ok to count these fights as Duran was picking on some bum who should not be in the ring with him, but it is not okay to count the fight he had vs Leonard in 89 or better yet. It is ok to rant and rave on here about Duran beating leonad in June of 1980, but not count the fight that Duran had in Nov of 1980...Somehow it seems as if you all simply dont get it, or refuse to try. I am very glad that Duran came out and echoed what Ray Arcel said the day of the rematch, that there was no cramps. As duran groupies would forever try to cry that their man had a tummy ache...which in iteslf shows just how weak and crybabies these groupies are. To cry and say someone had cramps, so it is a reason for him to quit and give the other man his props is flat out showing your ignorance, whinyiesm, and shows the world what we are looking. Since we are on the toppic of looking at....did you see anywhere in the rematch where duran showed visable signs of a cramp...was him holding his stomach when he quit, and since Duran himself said there was cramps, along with video footage to support their was not cramp, along wth his trainer who was inside the ring saying duran never complained to him....I guess now your best effort is to discredit he book that contains the Truth, and effect discredit Duran who shared the truth with the author....Either way you sound ignorant, espeically when your debating with someone who says Duran is an all time great top 10, and your simply tyring to force someone into ranking him higher...Wont happen son. He is lucky he gets top 10, based on the large amount of Michae jackson type of fighters he fought at lightweight....

Duran never uttered the words "No Mas"... read this... "Next, Leonard went back to the Olympic Stadium in Montreal to defend his title against former lightweight champion Roberto Duran, in the first superfight of the 1980s. In a long, grueling contest, mostly fought against the ropes or in corners, the more experienced Duran outmauled Leonard and captured a close, but unanimous decision. Leonard surprised many observers by standing flat-footed with the Panamanian slugger. Their rematch was held in travis New Orleans on November 25, 1980. This time around, Leonard used far more lateral movement and jabs, staying off the ropes whenever possible. In round 7, Leonard taunted Duran, dropping his arms and winding up with a bolo punch. Neither fighter had absorbed much punishment, but Leonard had a narrow lead on all three scorecards after 7 rounds. In round 8, Duran turned around, walked to his corner and gave up. Although Duran is widely remembered for the now famous words, "no más," he never actually said them. It was actually commentator Howard Cosell who uttered the phrase. Regardless, the sports world was stunned by Duran's actions. The controversy regarding this bout and Duran's motivation for quitting continues to this day. However, in an interview with ESPN, Duran had stated that he had started to get stomach cramps and felt it better to quit now than suffer through it." I'm not arguing who was better, I'm just shocked that people still use the term No Mas to this day...

Thank-You WPink1 - I was wondering if after reading all this B.S. if I was ever going to come across anyone who would dispute the "No Mas"... It's about time. Karma for you...

...Duran In my book is 1 notch below Leonard, and that is how I see it..Both top 10..and to the fella that says Duran is among boxing elite, and leonard isnt...Hmmmm Leonard is universaly accepted as generally at top 10-20 fighter. I think when you have million plus fighters to ever lace up gloves.....hmmm that places them both in the elite status....Dont you?You have written more words on this forum detracting from the legend of Roberto Durán than Christian Giudice wrote in his book Hands of Stone about him, which (contrary to your claim) is not an AUTObiography. I am that "fella" who said that Duran is among boxing's elite (top 10) and Leonard isn't. Your anti-Durán obsession will never alter that fact. Get a life!

Wiley Hyena- your post about shows that you flat out do not know the facts behind boxing and that anything Duran does you make excuses for, and lose major crediblity. Since you appear to be such a major Duran fan, and whin about 'My fighter quit because his tummy hurt",,,,Wow.. I encourage you to purchase Durans autobiagraphy where in it...HIS OWN AUTOBIAGRAPHY, HIS OWN WORDS..PAGE 204...GO TO BARNES AND NOBLES IF YOU YOU DONT HAVE IT, AND EITHER BUY IT, OR READ THAT ENTIRE CHAPTER DEVOTED TO HIS TANGLES WITH SUGAR RAY LEONARD, AND MOST NOTABLE PAGE 202-205..... Duran admits he NEVER had a single cramp. Not a one. That is not what forced him to quit, it was a made up theory buy a person in Durans camp shortly after the fight. However, Duran quit because Leonard did not fight him toe to toe. His exact words when he quit was not NO MAS, it was "No quiero pelear con el payaso". which means I do not want to fight with this clown. Those are your facts my friend. When you get on here to try to tell others facts about your man, please get them right. Duran simply could not beat leonard if he boxed, his corner knew that even in the 1st fight (page 185) that if padilla did not let duran hold and maul..that Duran would lose. That is why they were very scared of having Padilla referee. "Yes he won the first fight against Leonard. Had to quit in the second fight because of stomach cramps. And lost again to Leonard when he was damn near 40 years old. This 3rd fight against Leonard occured after Duran was way out of his prime. The main point is that in his prime against Leonard in his prime, Duran beat Leonard fair and square. I know you idolize Leonard, but there's nothing you can do about the facts" Another false statement included in this paragraph that begs addressing, and shows how your review of the Leonard-Duran saga is flawed, and not accepted by anyone but Duran fans. 1. Duran for the 1st fight had to train down form 180+ pounds. Was partying on a place called 5th street gym in Miami, and ALWAYS before fights indulges until roughly 2 months before the fight. page 178. The same for fight 1, and the same for fight 2,which he had to train down from 188 vs 183 for the 1st fight.... Duran always blew up between fights, nothing new for the leoinard fights, most notably the 2nd fight. Major flawed theory. IN fact now he only had to get down to 147 vs 135 before. 2. Duran was 29 YRS 4 DAYS FOR THE FIRST FIGHT. IN his prime...and according you to,, he was out of his prime at 29 YEARS 5 MONTHS 9 DAYS, for the 2nd fight. Hmmmmm lot of aging going on in 5 months according to you.WOW..........Every other fighter in history is judged by up to at least age 31...99% judged up to around age 34. I say at least 31 because of ERik Morales...Also, there is no disputing that he was his very very best at 135,however every other fighter is judged on how they fare at the weight classes north. Sugar Ray Robinson, Leonad, Sugar shane, Mayweather, Armstrong...DLH, Roy jones..So Duran should be judged the same.. However, according to you, Duran somehow was out of his prime, and should not be held accountable because he was at welterwieght, and he tummy cramps...Wow...very very false, weak, and even Duran does not support this false excuse. 3. There is no debate on Duran Greatness. However, I merely point out that Duran has accomplished all the titles you point out, but while at 135 in ammasing the 70 wins, his resume was filled with 40 or so fights that fighters like Ray Leonard, Mayweather, etc...they do not fight these types of fighters with records of 0-3 once they are a champion. or fighters with 0-0 records when they are starting their trade. Duran did,but Duran fans,,the same ones that cry that mayweather is fighting bums,or ducking somebody,,,refuse to admit that Duran as a champion fought some of the worst fighters (recordwise) ever. I mean ever. If you look at Boxrec...those are facts, and I challenge you to get a top champion and produce not 20 fightrs like duran had, but 1-2 fighters with a record of 1-3,,,after that champion got the belt. You will not address it, or accept the challlenge as no other duran fan has, because it shows that there was some credible issues with 20+ fights that duran had after he became champion. I concede he is a top 10 of all time, and this i have always said, never argued, but my friend you go on subjective reasoning, which is always opininon and anyone can say I think Durna is the best ever...etc.. However what you will not accept is facts, like Leonard and duran are 1-1 during peak years...The scoring was as close as close can be in the 1st fight, and that Duran quit the 2nd fight, when that is unexcusible, and he was losing by the way. Finally you and others will not discuss his resume,when it is there for the world to see....including 4 ass whippings before the age of 34...So once again get your facts straight son.. I did say facts not opinion, cuz we are all entitled to those, no matter how biased or based on false stuff they are. I look at facts...FACTS. And the facts support clearly duran as a top fighter of all time, but also shows he was not this god like figure that you and others try to paint him to be. He had issues with certain styles, like all fighters. He lost fights fair and square, and Duran fans need to stop trying to minimize the accomplishments of every fighter duran faced that night, and accept duran lost ot a better man that night. Duran, had a fantastic record at lightweight, any one that has 70 victories vs 1 loss is all timer, but the fact is 20+ fights were vs fighters he should not have been in the ring with. If you dont want to judge the fights Duran had when he was 38 or so, which a gree with, then why are you giving him credit for fighting a fighter who is 1-3, once he was a champion.....Duran In my book is 1 notch below Leonard, and that is how I see it..Both top 10..and to the fella that says Duran is among boxing elite, and leonard isnt...Hmmmm Leonard is universaly accepted as generally at top 10-20 fighter. I think when you have million plus fighters to ever lace up gloves.....hmmm that places them both in the elite status....Dont you?

Duran beat Ray..and lost twice...quitting..Not he could should of would he quit..and also got his ass handed to him repeatedly...REPEATEDLY,,whenvever he stepped up against the big dogs. Facts my friends..and also Duran Resume is full of 0-3 type of fighters.....Fact my friend. wpink, are you still running down Duran? What's the deal with you? You're getting more obsessive than Dios used to be with his rantings. Yes he won the first fight against Leonard. Had to quit in the second fight because of stomach cramps. And lost again to Leonard when he was damn near 40 years old. This 3rd fight against Leonard occured after Duran was way out of his prime. The main point is that in his prime against Leonard in his prime, Duran beat Leonard fair and square. I know you idolize Leonard, but there's nothing you can do about the facts. Duran started his professional career at 118 lbs and eventually won the middleweight title. (No way Leonard can make a similar claim) That's amazing. It's like Pacquiao winning the middleweight championship. And he did it at age 38 by beating Iran Barkley (who destroyed Tommy Hearns twice). Not only that he was the first man ever to take HAGLER the distance and almost won that fight on points. Here are a few more facts about your favorite boxer: In 2002, he was chosen by The Ring Magazine to be the 5th greatest fighter of the last 80 years. He held world titles at four different weights - lightweight (1972-79), welterweight (1980), junior middleweight (1983-84) and middleweight (1989). He was also the only boxer to have fought in five different decades. He finally retired in January 2002 at age 50 (having previously retired in 1998) with a professional record of 120 fights, 104 wins with 69 KOs. Duran was simply one of the greats ever to step into the ring.

Duran in his prime (i.e. at lightweight) was a monster. Hard to imagine anyone taking him at that weight (Sanchez maybe?). Esteban De Jesus did...

Duran beat Ray..and lost twice...quitting..Not he could should of would he quit..and also got his ass handed to him repeatedly...REPEATEDLY,,whenvever he stepped up against the big dogs. Facts my friends..and also Duran Resume is full of 0-3 type of fighters.....Fact my friend.You again?! Duran's 1-2 record against Leonard doesn't matter. In the grand scheme of things, Sugar Ray Leonard is a boxing icon, Roberto Durán is a boxing legend. Here's a general team sport analogy: It doesn't matter if a team loses the season series against a given rival, as long as it wins the world championship. Conversely, it doesn't matter that Duran lost the trilogy against leonard, as long as he is ranked among boxing's elite, unlike Leonard. Think Big Picture http://www.pugilistica.com/Feb_July_2005/BoxingIllFeb1984RobertoDuran.JPG The caption on the bottom of the magazine cover says it all...

Duran beat Ray..and lost twice...quitting..Not he could should of would he quit..and also got his ass handed to him repeatedly...REPEATEDLY,,whenvever he stepped up against the big dogs. Facts my friends..and also Duran Resume is full of 0-3 type of fighters.....Fact my friend.

Not sure what your crying about,,,that is fact... No fact is Duran beat SRL, not he could of, would of ,should of ,.....

Not sure what your crying about,,,that is fact...

And the fight Ray lost was by 4 points spread over 3 cards....1 round scored differently Ray is 3-0 versus Duran....Fighting willingly durans style of fight.... Fuck me you cant just alter the history books, Duran beat him full stop !

And the fight Ray lost was by 4 points spread over 3 cards....1 round scored differently Ray is 3-0 versus Duran....Fighting willingly durans style of fight....

They are both 1-1 against each other. So we can avoid this impossible argument by considering that they were both great and well matched against each other. I respect them both. Duran slightly greater status IMO because of his other accomplishments in the ring. But, this is subject to debate. Although Duran is GOD ! SRL did beat him twice out of the 3 fights they had ! 1989-12-07 - SRL - UD 1980-11-25 - SRL - TKO 1980-06-20 - DURAN - UD

they are 1-1 against each other...Hmmm I think you better check your facts...and another myth...Duran through the fight for money....LOL good one...

They are both 1-1 against each other. So we can avoid this impossible argument by considering that they were both great and well matched against each other. I respect them both. Duran slightly greater status IMO because of his other accomplishments in the ring. But, this is subject to debate.

proof that he threw the fight http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jq4-BFz9vI

duran thew the fight for the cash and if you dont know that your stupid