are you kidding me?
Top 3 All Time at 126
1. Willy pep
2. Sandy Saddler
3. Salvador Sanchez
Hamed is in the lower half of the top ten or 10-15 range
cosign. we have the same top 3
kb8mvp, you are right we will never quit, to us he is present day King of the Feathers until he is beaten, JMM the only other fighter who has a claim on this title did not beat him...
I am keenly waiting for the PAC-JMM II to finally put an end on this argument of present day King of the Feathers....
lolz how wrong was I back then, thinking PAC will stay at 126....
guys any chance of the current FW kings to be included on the top 10-20 ATG FW List? You see anyone staying their for keeps?
LOL, at both the options given for the greatest featherweight of all-time, and at some of the discussions in this thread.
Cple, it's good to see you have both a healthy respect and knowledge of the great fighters of the past and the present, and have given a helping hand to some of the youngsters in this thread.
For what it's worth, this is my all-time top 20 featherweights, which is a ranking I compiled a short time ago;
1: Willie Pep
2: Henry Armstrong
3: Sandy Saddler
4: Abe Attell
5: Salvador Sanchez
6: George Dixon
7: Johnny Kilbane
8: Terry McGovern
9: Johnny Dundee
10: Kid Chocolate
11: Alexis Arguello
12: Jim Driscoll
13: Eusibio Pedroza
14: Vincente Saldivar
15: Freddie Miller
16: Tony Canzoneri
17: Azumah Nelson
18: Young Griffo
19: Baby Arizmendi
20: Battling Battalino
Will be more than willing to add the names of some of the feather greats that were wrongly excluded from the greatest featherweight poll above. Any suggestions how I can add names to the poll ?
When discussing all-time featherweights, a lot of names are said, namely Pep, Saddler, Armstrong, Sanchez, Nelson, etc. And rightfully so, because they were tremendous fighters. However, there are a few that never seem to be mentioned, but i feel deserves some props.
Eusebio Pedroza – defended the featherweight title a record 19 consecutive times, defeating the likes of Royal Kobayashi, Rocky Lockridge, Ruben Olivares, and Juan LaPorte. An extremely rough and tough fighter, who easily ranks as one of the dirtiest of all-time.
Alexis Arguello – his accomplishments (only 4 title defenses) aren’t as eye catching as others, but if you saw him fight at 126, you’d easily see that he was one of the best fighters of all-time. The way he disposed of Jose Legra, Ruben Olivares, among many was brutal. He wasn’t fast, but he was economical, deadly with his fists, and pretty much a perfect offensive fighter.
Probably all of the following fighters aren’t very well known, but they should be ranked among the greatest featherweights.
Johnny Kilbane – holds the featherweight record for the longest uninterrupted title reign, ruling the division for 11 years and 4 months.
Abe Attell – compiled a record of 104-15-18. His record looks like the who’s who of the turn of the century featherweights, posting wins over George Dixon and Johnny Kilbane, newspaper decisions over Battling Nelson, Owen Moran, Ad Wolgast, and Charley White.
The list goes on and on with George Dixon, Terry McGovern, Wilfredo Gomez, Jim Driscoll, Vicent Saldivar, Tony Canzoneri, Kid Chocolate, Naseem Hamed, etc. This division is so rich with talent that it’s extremely difficult to create a definitive list. However, the consensus 1 and 2 are pretty much Pep and Saddler.
LOL, at both the options given for the greatest featherweight of all-time, and at some of the discussions in this thread.
Cple, it's good to see you have both a healthy respect and knowledge of the great fighters of the past and the present, and have given a helping hand to some of the youngsters in this thread.
For what it's worth, this is my all-time top 20 featherweights, which is a ranking I compiled a short time ago;
1: Willie Pep
2: Henry Armstrong
3: Sandy Saddler
4: Abe Attell
5: Salvador Sanchez
6: George Dixon
7: Johnny Kilbane
8: Terry McGovern
9: Johnny Dundee
10: Kid Chocolate
11: Alexis Arguello
12: Jim Driscoll
13: Eusibio Pedroza
14: Vincente Saldivar
15: Freddie Miller
16: Tony Canzoneri
17: Azumah Nelson
18: Young Griffo
19: Baby Arizmendi
20: Battling Battalino
That list is flat out laughable and anyone who think Pac is the greatest featherweight of all time needs to be taken out back and shot cause we cant have people that stupid reproducing.
THANK GOD. THERE IS PEOPLE WITH SOME SENSE IN HERE :)
That list is flat out laughable and anyone who think Pac is the greatest featherweight of all time needs to be taken out back and shot cause we cant have people that stupid reproducing.
jabsRstiff, No I did not see that fight, I thought that his last fight was with Arguello but I just saw now in boxrec.com that he fought one more time but lost via TKO and they did not show the fight in the Phils. during that time, lucky for me I did not see that fight you mentioned or it will be forever etched in my mind....
So has anyone already placed a bid on Homicide Hank's
Arguello-Pryor DVD ?
jabsRstiff, No I did not see that fight, I thought that his last fight was with Arguello but I just saw now in boxrec.com that he fought one more time but lost via TKO and they did not show the fight in the Phils. during that time, lucky for me I did not see that fight you mentioned or it will be forever etched in my mind....
Ganigan had no defense & a pretty weak chin...not a good combo when facing someone as deadly s Arguello was.
Did you see when Ganigan was beaten by Jimmy Paul (may have been Ganigan's last fight) ?
That was u-g-l-y. Ganigan went down 5 or 6 times.
jabsRstiff, yeah Ganigan was awesome that's why I thought he will kill Arguello, a guy I did not know during that fight, but I will remember forever, after that fight....
Joma....
Ganigan was fun to watch....& he could really whack.
He destroyed Sean O'Grady in the fight that earned him the shot at Arguello.
Remember, he did floor Alexis before Arguello's class took over.
cple its good to hear that for Arguello....
as a kid I was already rooting for Filipino Fighters, fighting around the world and one prospect named Andy "Hawian Punch" Ganigan (he is actually a Fil-Am) was knocking everybody out on his way to a title shot against Arguello, so I thought he will murder Alexis, but when I saw how he demolished Andy, I knew, I was introduced to a legend that night....
Alexis Arguello is also one of my favorites and its nice that his name is being mentioned as one of the best feather of all time, but I could not erase in my mind the picture of him getting beat up by Aaron Pryor, I think Arguello was going up on weight on that fight...
Pryor-Arguello took place at jr. welterweight past Arguello's best days. He was still a very capable and dangerous opponent, just not at his best. That fight shouldn't diminish Arguello's featherweight rating.
Asian Strom you are right that its better to retire while you are on top of your game but in basketball only your legacy is diminished in boxing the fighter loose at lot more....
I also have to ask, is there any doubt MJ is the greatest ball player ever, just like Ali came back from retirement and beat everybody and won his 2nd Heavy Weight Championship proving his greatness, MJ also did that, return and won the championship that his team lost without him....
Hey guys, anyone there know how I can add choices to my Best Featherweight Poll up there? I need to add the names of such
greats as Pep, Saddler, Armstrong etc. to make the list more venerable ... HELP !!
Alexis Arguello is also one of my favorites and its nice that his name is being mentioned as one of the best feather of all time, but I could not erase in my mind the picture of him getting beat up by Aaron Pryor, I think Arguello was going up on weight on that fight...
Yeah, its always difficult to witness a losing fight of
a great boxer. That's why the ideal is that a boxer retires at the top of their game (hmmm..that would be a good thread to start :) will do so in a while). If Michael Jordan did not
return after his first retirement, then he would easily be the
greatest ball player ever, without any arguments whatsoever..Don't you think so basketball fans ?