Why people bash Vitaly and Wlad so much

you know thats just like your opinion man... you know he first got ko.ed by ross (the boss) purty. i mean that sux. ross didn't start boxing tell 30

the problem i have with them is they cant fight. they got where they are for three reasons. they are white, they are huge in size. and they can ko just about anyone they can land a right hand on. but they can't box, period. their promoters are known for cheating and thats how they've gotten past byrd. durius got past montell the sameway with help from their promoter and a crooked ref.

Intelligent post Russian Arm. Wlad beats up a lot of undersized, shot black fighters. But loses to the first live body he fights in Lame Lamon Brewster and gets KO'd. Gets knocked down and probably knocked out by yet another lame black heavyweight in DaVarryl Williamson. No body cares about Wlad or those bums. They're horrible fighters the whole lot of them. you know thats just like your opinion man...

Intelligent post Russian Arm. Wlad beats up a lot of undersized, shot black fighters. But loses to the first live body he fights in Lame Lamon Brewster and gets KO'd. Gets knocked down and probably knocked out by yet another lame black heavyweight in DaVarryl Williamson. No body cares about Wlad or those bums. They're horrible fighters the whole lot of them.

Ray Robinson was beaten by Randy Turpin 14 years before he retired. And Moorer beat a prime Holyfield? Holyfield was coming off grueling matches with Riddick Bowe and was pretty much considered finished after Moorer barely beat him. Also, Holyfield claimed to have an injured shoulder. Not sure if that's legit since Holyfield has excuses for everything. What was Mesi able to do that Toney didn't? Get knocked down 3 times against Jirov? Also, i think we're kind of getting off topic. oh well. Actually he retired less than a year later after losing to Joey Maxim. He like meny others couldn't stay retired though and he came back to fight 3 years later. After he came back he went 43-16-4 if I counted correctly which would show why he went into retirement in the first place. He was shot, Holyfield wasn't. End of story. Mesi was able to outbox Jirov, Toney wasn't.

Pansyboy, McCline was considered the "next big thing out there" by whom? he wasn't an HBO fighter. That's the sign of a fighter whose considered that. Wlad had the HBO contract before hhe lost to Sanders. McCline was considered a big guy with potential who was decent. He was NEVER considered a sure bet to be a champion in the future. Wlad was. Get your facts straight. You're clearly a) not American/dont live in the USA or b) you don't have HBO to actually see the telecasts. McCline was a top 10 heavyweight. he wasn't top 5. Stop exaggerating

Also, James Toney is overrated, but he'd still beat the hell out of Joe Mesi.

Beating someone a year before he retires is now being compared to Moorer beating a prime Holyfield? You were the one who said that Mesi is overrated yet he was able to do what the James the second coming Toney was not able to do. So that must mean that Toney is more overrated than Mesi or that Mesi isn't overrated at all. You choose. Ray Robinson was beaten by Randy Turpin 14 years before he retired. And Moorer beat a prime Holyfield? Holyfield was coming off grueling matches with Riddick Bowe and was pretty much considered finished after Moorer barely beat him. Also, Holyfield claimed to have an injured shoulder. Not sure if that's legit since Holyfield has excuses for everything. What was Mesi able to do that Toney didn't? Get knocked down 3 times against Jirov? Also, i think we're kind of getting off topic. oh well.

In the grand scheme of things, Moorer is an average-good heavyweight. Nothing near great, which is what you claim Moorer to be. Randy Turpin beat Sugar Ray Robinson, i suppose Turpin is a great fighter in your eyes as well, based on your criteria of greatness. As for Toney, he puncuated the the fight with a knockdown and started to really kick things up during the championship rounds. Yes, both were unanimous decision wins, but under two completely different circumstances and unfolded in two very distinct ways. And if the Toney fans ranting and raving was intended for me, i'll say this: i don't like James Toney. In fact, i root against him in nearly every one of his fights. But i didn't bring him into this discussion. Cheers. Beating someone a year before he retires is now being compared to Moorer beating a prime Holyfield? You were the one who said that Mesi is overrated yet he was able to do what the James the second coming Toney was not able to do. So that must mean that Toney is more overrated than Mesi or that Mesi isn't overrated at all. You choose.

Huh, how was Moorer an average heavyweight? Is Holyfield also an average heavyweight? Toney closed the show? They were both won by UDs, neither of them closed the show. In the grand scheme of things, Moorer is an average-good heavyweight. Nothing near great, which is what you claim Moorer to be. Randy Turpin beat Sugar Ray Robinson, i suppose Turpin is a great fighter in your eyes as well, based on your criteria of greatness. As for Toney, he puncuated the the fight with a knockdown and started to really kick things up during the championship rounds. Yes, both were unanimous decision wins, but under two completely different circumstances and unfolded in two very distinct ways. And if the Toney fans ranting and raving was intended for me, i'll say this: i don't like James Toney. In fact, i root against him in nearly every one of his fights. But i didn't bring him into this discussion. Cheers.

I agree with you, Winter. None of the arguments presented so far justify treating Wlad and Vitaly the way they are treated. People said that Wlad has no heart because he never won a fight after getting KDed. In his last fight Wlad was KD then got up and fought back like a worrior. After that fight, I was expecting to hear people admit that Wlad has heart, at the least. What I heard instead was that Wlad has no chin. Too much hate here. We can't stop it. Is it a good place to be at? :) Bye, Winter. Nautilus, you write perfect words. I know Wladimir will be okay. I love him, and I wish for him to be champion. He will be champion. Nautilus, I will disappear with you.

at least tarver is not a bigot look at his corner there... 3 white guys? maybe if wlad was trained by buddy mcgirt and came in with a thug posse blaring rap then the haters would like him

Neuraxis Toney lost two rounds. TOPS. I guess the judges as well as everyone else besides yourself who saw the fight are going to have to disagree.

i guess people hate wlad because his job consists of beating up afro-americans. That's why he gets so much heat. :(

speakin of milkduds I gotta go meet my buddy Michael at The Loft for a burger and Beer! BBL

maybe its cause hes white? most likely. Milkduds don't like it when there not the center of attention! However, it's not their fault entirlely, 70% of them are bastards (No proper Father figure in the house) here in the US. So, you have a bunch of grown-up boys that don't know how to act mature among themselves let alone there supposed enemy (Whitey). So pitty them and laugh. Now there are also some white geeks on these boards whho love black men so much they think they are and hence act in the same immature childish manner and disrespect their own kind. Just laugh at them. The recognized HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMP OF THE WORLD IS WHITE and the haters are just, well,... hating: PERIOD!!!!!!!!!! :cool:

That has certainly crossed my mind, and some whites post negative comments about them for fear of being labeled as buying into the whole "white hope" thing, ridiculous.

wlad was really good but wasted talent i dunno what happened to him and vitali is ok but there's somethin about them that turns me off hardly got ne stamina maybe its cause hes white?

I know why people bash Vladimir and Vitaliy. I will tell you why. I have noticed that the people who bash Vladimir and Vitali are either Roy Jones fans, Lennox Lewis fans, Mike Tyson fans, or James Toney fans. These are the only fans who bash Wladimir and Vitali. Look closely at those fans. What has happened to their fighters recently? Think very carefully what has happened to their fighters. Now you know the answer why they bash Wladimir and Vitali. Nautilus, I couldn't help it. I had to post on your topic. I agree with you, Winter. None of the arguments presented so far justify treating Wlad and Vitaly the way they are treated. People said that Wlad has no heart because he never won a fight after getting KDed. In his last fight Wlad was KD then got up and fought back like a worrior. After that fight, I was expecting to hear people admit that Wlad has heart, at the least. What I heard instead was that Wlad has no chin. Too much hate here. We can't stop it. Is it a good place to be at? :) Bye, Winter.

ya wlad was really good but wasted talent i dunno what happened to him and vitali is ok but there's somethin about them that turns me off hardly got ne stamina