foreman lost his fight to young, a year earlier he would have finished it in 5 rounds thats the effect ali had on him
because of this loss foreman did not deserve a rematch
that said, if there had been a rematch and foreman had pulled himself together he would have beaten ali
didnt gabriel ruelas fight someone, and then a few days later he DIED in the hospital. Dieing usually ends the person who dieds career, and the person u killed. U NEVER recover from killing another man unintentionally.
somebody asked why ali foreman didnt fight.....ali was suposed to meet fraizer for a third fight while foreman was suposed to meet young ali won his fight foreman lost his ali fought young instead lol thats not ducking
Theirs loads off Career Ending Or Shortening Fights in the past off boxing history some ppl ant tlkd about are:
Tyson v Spinks
I was a big fan off Spinks one off the greatest light-heavyweights off all time beat the likes off Marvin Johnson ,Eddie Mustafa Muhammad and Larry Holmes with a record off 30-0-21ko going into the tyson fight.
in 1988, Superfight 88, Tyson Vs. Spinks, came. Tyson inflicted the first and only defeat on Spinks' record by knocking Spinks out in the first round. every1 knew Spinks was a true light-heavy and Spinks was under the MYTH tyson was "unbeatable".
After that fight, Spinks retired and never came back to boxing as a boxer.
i wonder what would had happend to Spinks if he went back down to lightheavy after the Gerry gooney fight?
I just read some old article from CNN in that year.
Taylor wanted to prove he was still a good fighter and his trainer was encouraging him.
Now if Taylor was really that fucked up, why would people egg him on and let him fight?
Do people really hate this guy that much that they want to see him end up a vegetable or dead?
Taylor took a bad beating in the Chavez fight. But he was still a young man. People felt he could recover. And he did to a point. Alot of people forget that Taylor did win another title after the Chavez fight. When he beat Aaron Davis. Davis was no Hall of Famer, but he was undefeated at the time and had won his title by exposing Mark Breland. It was a good win for Taylor, but it was clear he was not all the way back yet. His first title defense led to more questions. I think he was dropped twice before winning. I forget against who. It was clear his skills had diminished. It was a poor showing, but it got him another super fight he wanted. Terry Norris crushed him in 4 rounds. This was the fight I think should of led to his retirement. But since he had moved up in weight for the Norris fight and still held a welterweight title, he was allowed to continued. Bad mistake. Crisanto Espana a European fighter tourtured him for 11 rounds. Worse than Chavez did, I think. Whoever approved Taylor to fight again, after the Espana fight should be arrested.
The beating Vargas took from Trinidad. He hasn't been the same.
Camacho Sr. went to war with someone I forgot the fighter's name but Camacho was never the same after the fight.
Your prabobly thinking of Rosario
Chavez-Taylor I: Just an absolute beating. Chavez took everything out of this kid, because the kid gambled his last breath on the biggest fight of his life.
Mormeck-Braithwaite: Braithwaite took tremendous punishment in that fight. He was stopped in his next fight and may never recover his career fully.
Toney-Jirov: Who has Jirov beaten lately. Aside from the physical punishment, his will to win also seems to be fading.
Trinidad-Vargas: Vargas had some success in the middle rounds, showing his obvious potential as a champ. But the terrible punishment he was taking from rounds 9-12 was really damaging. He simply was rushed too fast into a major fight.
Pryor-Arguello I: Aaron Pryor just went out there and broke his man apart. Arguello was really destroyed in this fight, it was over after this fight for him. He never returned to his previous success again.
In Pryor-Arguello and Chavez-Taylor, the damage was worse because they gave every ounce of energy and life they had in those fights. They put all their chips on the table, risked it all, and paid the cost. Its really hard to return to former prominence after beatings like those. The fight was literally beaten out of them.
frazier in the thrilla in manilla
the rumble in the jungle had a huge effect on foreman even though the effect was psychological, he no longer believed he was invincible
Two fights made two fighters leave boxing not because they were mauled but in disgust over decisions:
1. Hagler left the game after meeting Sugar Ray Leonard, unable to accept that the judges called the fight in favor of Ray.
2. Carlos Zarate left boxing for close to seven years after having been declared loser to Lope Pintor by Split Decision. He had KDd Pintor in the 4th. Zarate was lured back to boxing in 1986. He racked up 12 consecutive wins, then faced Jeff Fenech for the WBC SuperaBantam title in late 1987. He lost, TD 4. He tried again four months later (1988) to wrest the same throne that had been vacated by Fenech, facing Daniel Zaragoza. Again, he failed (TKO 10).
You need to check your dates. Frazier was destroyed by Foreman AFTER his third Ali fight, not before. But yes looking at the stats i agree, after George beat Frazier the second time he should have been next in line. Was Foreman to fight Ali if he beat Young? which he didn't.
Oops McKay i didn't answer ya last. BTW who is Micheel Nunn? One good typo deserves another hehehe :P
Whether Ali ducked him or not Foreman quit. If he EARNED a return bout Ali would have no choice. I find it hard to believe Ali ducked him, i thought it was the hallucination card that made him retire. I never said what retired him tho, just that he was never the same, and he wasn't!
OF course Foreman deserved a rematch with Ali. Before Ali fought Frazier the 3rd time. Frazier had recently been destroyed by Foreman and stopped in the 2nd round having been knocked down 8 times.
Instead of fighting Foreman Ali fought....Chuck Wepner,Ron Lyle, Joe Bugner, Joe Frazier, Jean Pierre Coopman.
Frazier is one of my favorite fighters of all time and the 3rd fight was great but Foreman was clearly more deserving of a fight with Ali and title shot at that time. Ali said after the 3rd Frazier fight he was going to fight Foreman next but and then retire but of course never did.
Oops McKay i didn't answer ya last. BTW who is Micheel Nunn? One good typo deserves another hehehe :P
Whether Ali ducked him or not Foreman quit. If he EARNED a return bout Ali would have no choice. I find it hard to believe Ali ducked him, i thought it was the hallucination card that made him retire. I never said what retired him tho, just that he was never the same, and he wasn't!
That has to be the saddest tragic story out there for me. That Legendary Nights episode always makes me cry at the end. I have no shame in admitting that at all. The rise and fall of a great ring warrior. :(
Hey man, that's the price you have to be willing to pay when you step in the ring. Very unfortunate.
Sorry McKay, i of course meant Toney. Too busy thinking of Jones - Toney. Liston was considered pretty much invincible and regarded by many as the greatest heavy ever going into the Clay fight. No matter what he did after it can never even scratch the surface of the aura he had before that bout.
trinidad vs. reid
trinidad vs. vargas
trinidad vs. joppy
say what you want about trinidad .. he is one demensional, can't box and got dominated by hopkins and winky ...but the fact remains tito ended careers he is one of the most devastating fighters of this era ... reid ,vargas, and joppy were never the same after the beating tito handed them ..
Ali's two wins over Liston badly affected his career. Some fighters lose their aura of invincibilty and are never the same again. Here are a few in THAT category
Hearns KO Cuevas
Honeyghan KO Curry
Curry KO McCrory
Ali Ko Liston!!!
Ali KO Foreman
Sandavol KO Chandler
Holmes KO Cooney
Tyson KO Spinks - never fought again
Tarver KO Jones - look at his next fight, tho he was slipping
Nelson KO Fenech - over the hill overnight
Jones KO Nunn - never THAT good again
Hearns DECISION Hill - not a KO but first loss
Duran KO Moore
i think all of the above are applicable here
Jones never fought Micheel Nunn to my knowledge.
Liston went on for a while after he laid down in the second Ali fight eventually to be KO'd in a bid for the NABF title.
Foreman retired more from Ali ducking him for so many years than the defeat in 1974. Besides that I will have to assume the rest of the list is somewhat accurate. :)