Hopkins should stay away from Tarver/Jones

who is the real Heavywieght champ...no one?...For the first time in my life I don't know. I have to think about it. Well there's a case for....hmmmmm..select from a list of bums,save James Toney and Chris Byrd(a master boxer but really a blown up middle)...When I was a kid EVERYONE knew who the champ was. This new Russian monster will be a box office drawer though because of his size he is a curiousity that u can bet HBO will exploit but IMO will be a splash in the pan...Talent level out of ten...maybe 5) I am new to this forum so I am a little green however I have read some imput from some other folks and was stunned to see that some people believe that Liston DIDN'T take a dive in the second fight. That's just silly and that Mike Tyson could beat Tarver(and I am no big fan of Tarvers)...Mike's had it folks...deal with it.One more thing PPV for Jones/Hopkins?! Not from me.Although a Traver/Hopkins would be a good fight and even at fourty yeras old.. I'd pick Bernard.

Hopkins defence is about a million times' better than Roy Jones' - Jones has never been good at defense - He's been able to rely on his amazing relfexes and athletic abilities and now he's lost a step or two - The Tarvers of this world come along when at the end of his career and expose that he needs to re-asses his defense. Hopkins from Saturday night would never get caught like Roy did in his fight with Tarver. Tarver is not exactly granite chinned either, Hopkins has a shot, he's an underdog, but he has a shot.

I was impressed with both fighters, Bernard wanted to show people he could outbox a great boxer. As for staying away from Jones and Tarver i think your wrong. I would love to see Bernard get in the ring with either of these. They would both be great fights. I said Hopkins should stay away from Tarver/Jones because he will get dominated. I would love to see this. Hopkins will cash in again but will take a beating.

Hopkins gained more than a W in his meeting with Oscar; he ensured that, more than being enshrined at Canastota after he hangs up his gloves, he will be remembered by this generation of boxing fans and even be known by many of the generations yet unborn. Hagler, in his time, was a sure bet for the Hall of Fame, but until he met Leonard, his sterling performance could have passed with merely the slightest notice. How many of the great ones whose names are etched in stone in Canastota, deserving to be remembered, are now forgotten? Who ever remembers featherweight Baby Arizmendi, lightweight Billy Edwards and welterweight Jackie Fields? Only rabid boxing fans, and only very few of them. All three were among the inductees to the Hall in the Pioneer category June this year. When he bashed Tito to the canvass after convincingly piling up points in the previous rounds, Hopkins' name came into the sphere of the awareness of casual fight fans and became a headliner of contemporary boxing buzz. With his punch to De la Hoya's liver, he made the bid that the legend woven about him will be even better than that of Hagler who after all lost, officially, to Leonard (controversy, notwithstanding). Losing to Roy Jones in a second meeting? And/or to Tarver? It wouldn't matter. Only Rocky Marciano never lost a title match. Losses to Jones and Tarver (if those happen) shall only be smidgens on Hopkins' legend.

I'm not sure if they could still use those belts for that fight. I think Bernard and Tarver wont be the two fighting because Roy is gunna be Tarvers ass in the rubbbermatch. Also Hopkins wants Roy because thats the last person he lost too and really the only person considering the first loss was fucked up. He wants to retire on a win against Jones but hes dreaming be cause he is not near fast enough.

I honestly dont think Tarver can come down to Nard's weight so if anybody wants to see them fight Bernard will have to go up. Tarver walks around at 215 hahahaha he cant get down to 160. Roy has a chance to get down to that I believe. I agree i don't think Tarver would get down to 160 which would mean they may have to meet at Super Middleweight. Would Tarver be able to fight for Bernards titles at that weight?

I honestly dont think Tarver can come down to Nard's weight so if anybody wants to see them fight Bernard will have to go up. Tarver walks around at 215 hahahaha he cant get down to 160. Roy has a chance to get down to that I believe.

Hopkins isn't going to go up in weight, that would be stupid, come on now....He's smarter than that, or at least he seems to be. If anyone is going to beat him, I think that they are going to have to come to his level to do so. Hopkins did start off slow due to Oscar not fighting the fight he said for several months he expected him to fight. The slow start I also believe, could also be attributed to Oscar's inability to hurt Nard with his punches. They were fast as hell, but looked very soft when landing. DLH needs to leave the middleweights, that's the 2nd time he's been outpowered by a large margin. Nard vs. Tarver? Should be a good fight. Most boxers have problems fighting southpaws, so Tarver does have an advantage. And Tarver seems to be a pretty strong guy, so Nard would have to take a different approach with his rough house fighting. That will not be a slugfest, I'm sure. If anything, I think it'll be more technical, which I don't have a problem with, but others seem to hate.

I think Roy can get down to Hopkins weight but I dont think Tarver can come down to Hpkins weight. Tarver wont get a chance to fight Hopkins because when Jones beats his ass in the rubber match Tarver will be out of the picture. Hopkins wont go up in weight if hes smart. He said in an interview once that he credits his success to staying in the same weight class his whole career.

Hopkins going up a division, bad idea. Maybe five years ago. He should just make his 20th defense and retire after that, win or lose.

Hopkins can take Tarver. Roy let himself get hit in the first fight and he just got caught in the second. Hokins is gonna take the fight inside and break Tarver piece by piece.

Yeah ROy defiently wants this belt first to negotiate with Tarver. Tarver has to realize if he wants his big money its only in JONES /TARVER 3. Roy's advisors say hes still mad a bout that fight and he wants the rematch BADLY so I have a faith it will happen. I heard something about them fighting in December.

What is this I hear about Tarver not going to be Jones' next opponent after Glen Johnson, and is it true? Tarver seems to be in limbo land at this moment in time. Bernard has called Tarver and Jones out so it will be interesting to see who steps up to the challenge. I personally thought Jones would fight Tarver after Glencoffe, i think Roy wants this title to have some bargaining power with Tarver for their next fight.

Hopkins has always been known to be such a slow starter. Among the few exceptions were when he faced Tito and that fellow he knocked out in less than a minute of the first round a decade ago. But the way he got off against De la Hoya was really, really late even for Hopkins. He seemed uncertain until the middle rounds and failed to impose his will in the manner that he usually did with his prior opponents (from the third or fourth round up). His well-honed skills were flashed intermitently in the early rounds becoming more frequently displayed beginning in the 6th but the Hopkins WILL appeared to have gone on leave all throughout the fight. The Hopkins psychological make-up that was always evident in his demeanor in previous fights appeared to have been absent when he faced Oscar. He WAS cocky (though NOT HOPKINS-COCKY) when he came unto the ring apron, but the cockiness disappeared when the bell sounded. :confused:

What is this I hear about Tarver not going to be Jones' next opponent after Glen Johnson, and is it true?

Hopkins did not impress me tonight. DLH was out boxing him and Hopkins looked slow. If he faces a bigger puncher in Tarver/Jones he's getting knockout. Of course though Hopkins will cash in again but this time he's going to lose. I was impressed with both fighters, Bernard wanted to show people he could outbox a great boxer. As for staying away from Jones and Tarver i think your wrong. I would love to see Bernard get in the ring with either of these. They would both be great fights.

Yeah, he has faired fine against southpaws but he is always taged a little more and i just think Tarver has to much power for him. Just my opinion but i think RJJ will ko hopkins if they fight again too.

I have to think Tarver has to much power for Hopkins. He is also fast and is a very good counter puncher. Not to mention the fact that he is a south paw. Hell, even Allen hit Hopkins with a few good shots. Hopkins is a great middleweight but is no much for Tarver. And lacks the power and speed to beat Roy. Roy ud over Tarver in the third fight. RJJ is da man. Hopkins has a pretty good resume with southpaws, from Joe Lipsey to John David Jackson to Allen to Vanderpool to Keith Holmes. He has the tools to handle them, and I think he has a pretty good chance against Tarver.

I disagree... I believe Hopkins looked bad to somebody who doesnt know anything about boxing. He fought an amazingly smart fight tonight and obviiusly had a plan of attack. I believe Hopkins would have a better chance with Tarver than Jones because he doesnt do well with someone really fast as you could see when DLH threw his flurries. Roy would pound out another UD over Hopkins. Tarver and Hopkins would be more of a slug fest and I think it could go either way. My pick is Hopkins because his chin and his defense is unbelieveable.Hopkins came in at 156lbs against De la Hoya-- a long way from 175lbs--and didn't look like the same guy who trashed Tito. What happened was that Oscar was just too small: he looked hurt by the naturally bigger man's punches (even by some of the jabs!); his knees visibly buckled down twice or thrice in some rounds before the 9th when he finally went down on the canvass and stayed there. If Hopkins goes up to LHeavy, he could be asking for the same stuff he wrought Oscar. Wonder if he has enough power to make Tarver pay attention? And, Roy? Does Hopkins pack enough one-punch power at LHeavy? The only way Roy can be beaten is if he's hit by a powerful wallop that can lay him out forthe evening,e.g., Tarver's in their second fight; or, by DQ. There's no way anyone can outscore Roy Jones! Not then, not now, not in the immediate future.

Hum I have to think Tarver has to much power for Hopkins. He is also fast and is a very good counter puncher. Not to mention the fact that he is a south paw. Hell, even Allen hit Hopkins with a few good shots. Hopkins is a great middleweight but is no much for Tarver. And lacks the power and speed to beat Roy. Roy ud over Tarver in the third fight. RJJ is da man.