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Old 06-15-2011, 09:52 AM #1
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Joe Louis and Muhammad Ali are inarguably two of the greatest heavyweights of all time. In a match up I think that Joe Louis would come out the victor, he had trouble with quick moving fighters, however Conn was 170 lbs Ali was 212 lbs around his prime a much bigger target and Conn was also a much more correct boxer (fundamentally) and didnt make the costly mistakes Ali made such as never learning how to block a jab or being prone to left hooks and good jabbers, Frazier mapped out Louis plan to beat Ali in 1971, for that reason I think that Louis would have beaten him head to head.

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I think Louis would have beaten Ali but it would be one hell of a match up.
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I think Louis would have beaten Ali but it would be one hell of a match up.
I would favor Ali slightly in a one-off matchup. If they fought 10 times I would favor Ali only by slim majority in the series. Louis would get his share of wins.

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I got Louis by decision. Ali was always a sucker for the left hook, and Louis had one of the best to go with power, technique and perfect combinations. Ali's speed will trouble Joe, but Louis' superior skills will win it for him. Jmo.
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I think Ali's underrated power definitely comes into play in this fight not to mention his solid chin and Joe's kind of weaker chin as far as solid heavyweight chins go. Not to mention in his prime Ali had the best heavyweight footwork PERIOD. With that great footwork and his piston like jab he could keep Joe in the range he wants him out and I think he actually knocks him out late. I think he could take the best Joe could throw at him.
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I think Ali's underrated power definitely comes into play in this fight not to mention his solid chin and Joe's kind of weaker chin as far as solid heavyweight chins go. Not to mention in his prime Ali had the best heavyweight footwork PERIOD. With that great footwork and his piston like jab he could keep Joe in the range he wants him out and I think he actually knocks him out late. I think he could take the best Joe could throw at him.
I dont think Ali could ko Louis as he had great stamina and was only knocked out when he was grossly out of shape and over 12 rounds. Why did Ali struggle so much with Ken Norton? Ediie Futch who was Nortons trainer said it was because of the jab, Norton was a master at blocking the jab which destoryed Alis rythmn and he would counter jab, Louis was a master at blocking jabs and would have blocked Alis jab and countered him just like Norton except with far more power, how would Ali have avoided Louis's jab? leaning back? that could work aganist Liston but against someone with a jab as fast as Louis?
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looking at the 1st Conn and Walcott fights I got Ali by decision - I just see him outboxing the guy .. and take the heart Ali shows in his later fights combined with the incredible skills he showed against say the Cleveland Williams or patterson and I reckon he beats even the Louis of say Schmelling 2 ... but really its one of these things that we can never say for sure. To be honest i kinda think prime Ali finds a way to beat pretty much anybody ever ... regarding Norton it was not the best version of Ali that fought him in the first fight (plus add a broken jaw into the mix which if anything argues that Louis would be hard pushed to stop the guy) and a few years whipped of Ali would make all the difference in the second.

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looking at the 1st Conn and Walcott fights I got Ali by decision - I just see him outboxing the guy .. and take the heart Ali shows in his later fights combined with the incredible skills he showed against say the Cleveland Williams or patterson and I reckon he beats even the Louis of say Schmelling 2 ... but really its one of these things that we can never say for sure. To be honest i kinda think prime Ali finds a way to beat pretty much anybody ever ... regarding Norton it was not the best version of Ali that fought him in the first fight (plus add a broken jaw into the mix which if anything argues that Louis would be hard pushed to stop the guy) and a few years whipped of Ali would make all the difference in the second.
Sorry ...but Ali was never too fast...

Louis fought Conn weight drained without fluids...he might have ran out of steam..but he did knock Conn out. What did Ali do with a guy called Doug Jones...Louis was at the *** end of his carrer when he met Walcott. He retired after that. Ali at that stage got beat by Leon Spinks...I will not elaborate on that..suffice to state that Louis of any time did not get beat by some one with a record like Spinks. We are talking prime to prime and lets keep it at that.
Very average boxers caught up with him...Cleveland Williams? The guy was shot!!! Had lost a portion of his intestines...Patterson? He had a bad back...when he fought Ali for the first time...it was a bad decision to take the fight...I will like to draw your attention to something else..Ali struggled against Doug Jones...was nearly knocked out by a Henry Cooper left hook and trust me Louis hit way harder...The slow George Chuvalo caught up to the lighting Ali a number of times in their fight and landed lots of heavy shots...Chuvalo was no LOuis...if Louis landed that much Ali would be in serious trouble..

Norton showed a fast hand can be offset by parries and Louis could parry..Louis was too technical and proficient to not do what Norton could do...

Ali is great...no doubt..

But Louis beats Ali 6 times out of 10.

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Sorry ...but Ali was never too fast...

Louis fought Conn weight drained without fluids...he might have ran out of steam..but he did knock Conn out. What did Ali do with a guy called Doug Jones...Louis was at the *** end of his carrer when he met Walcott. He retired after that. Ali at that stage got beat by Leon Spinks...I will not elaborate on that..suffice to state that Louis of any time did not get beat by some one with a record like Spinks. We are talking prime to prime and lets keep it at that.
Very average boxers caught up with him...Cleveland Williams? The guy was shot!!! Had lost a portion of his intestines...Patterson? He had a bad back...when he fought Ali for the first time...it was a bad decision to take the fight...I will like to draw your attention to something else..Ali struggled against Doug Jones...was nearly knocked out by a Henry Cooper left hook and trust me Louis hit way harder...The slow George Chuvalo caught up to the lighting Ali a number of times in their fight and landed lots of heavy shots...Chuvalo was no LOuis...if Louis landed that much Ali would be in serious trouble..

Norton showed a fast hand can be offset by parries and Louis could parry..Louis was too technical and proficient to not do what Norton could do...

Ali is great...no doubt..

But Louis beats Ali 6 times out of 10.
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My man, where the hell have you been? I was just talking about you with somebody not to long ago and we were wondering where you went! Hope everything is good for you.
I am fine Jab thanks..just was very busy with a crazy job schedule...I hope to come to this forums a bit more regularly from now on...Nice to see you though. Thanks Again.
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