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**MWMerlino** · 07-18-2008, 12:28 AM

Very interesting...I think I agree most with Bert Sugars 1991 list.

You can almost track and understand through the lists what it meant to be a black american in each era.

**MWMerlino** · 07-18-2008, 05:23 PM

Why is James Jeffries considered to be so great?

**Rafael Benitez** · 07-18-2008, 08:50 PM

Rose tinted glasses are must have fashion accesory for the 60 somethings! I guess it is human nature. Marciano was a bum and people should read my thread all about it very carefully before believeing the tedious sermonising of a few dry old men.

**JAB5239** · 07-18-2008, 09:38 PM

Originally posted by Rafael Benitez View Post

Rose tinted glasses are must have fashion accesory for the 60 somethings! I guess it is human nature. Marciano was a bum and people should read my thread all about it very carefully before believeing the tedious sermonising of a few dry old men.

Pfff!! Was that the same crappy thread that started out with the insinuation that Marciano retired to avoid a Sonny Liston who had only been pro for 2 years? Lol! Yeah, your credible.

**CRESCENDOPOWER** · 07-18-2008, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by MWMerlino View Post

Why is James Jeffries considered to be so great?

Jeffries suffers from the Wilt Chamberlain, Jim Brown syndrome. There was no one within the league of his performance at that time.

**them_apples** · 07-18-2008, 11:19 PM

Boxing historians are a ****ing joke, all they are is a bunch of old guys hyping up their favorite fighter's from back in the day.

There is no way in a hell a guy like Johnson lasts even 1 round with a Foreman or Tyson

**Terry A** · 07-19-2008, 10:22 AM

Personally, I think that they're all bad, but this was the worst one....
Nat Fleischer, Founder of Ring Magazine, 1958, 1971.

Jack Johnson

Jim Jeffries

Bob Fitzsimmons

Jack Dempsey

Jim Corbett

Joe Louis

Sam Langford

Gene Tunney

Max Schemling

Rocky Marciano

Here's a guy who revised his list as late as 1978 and he left off Ali, Liston and Frazier in lieu of Jeffries, Fitzsimmons & Corbett???? Even the likes of Floyd Patterson beats those 3! And for him to have Tunney ranked beneath those three.....beyond amazing. Look who he ranks above Joe Louis!!!

How about Rose naming Sam Langford the GREATEST heavyweight of all time! Over everybody else. Incredible.

**TheGreatA** · 07-19-2008, 10:56 AM

Originally posted by Terry A View Post

Personally, I think that they're all bad, but this was the worst one....
Nat Fleischer, Founder of Ring Magazine, 1958, 1971.

Jack Johnson

Jim Jeffries

Bob Fitzsimmons

Jack Dempsey

Jim Corbett

Joe Louis

Sam Langford

Gene Tunney

Max Schemling

Rocky Marciano

Here's a guy who revised his list as late as 1978 and he left off Ali, Liston and Frazier in lieu of Jeffries, Fitzsimmons & Corbett???? Even the likes of Floyd Patterson beats those 3! And for him to have Tunney ranked beneath those three.....beyond amazing. Look who he ranks above Joe Louis!!!

How about Rose naming Sam Langford the GREATEST heavyweight of all time! Over everybody else. Incredible.

Fleischer died in 1972. He grew up in the late 1800's, early 1900's era and watched them fight so it's no surprise.
As knowledgeable as he must've been (The Ring magazine founder), this only shows that just about all of these lists should be taken with a 'grain of salt', as it seems to be impossible for people to make them up without some personal bias.

**Terry A** · 07-19-2008, 12:23 PM

Originally posted by TheManchine View Post

Fleischer died in 1972. He grew up in the late 1800's, early 1900's era and watched them fight so it's no surprise.
As knowledgeable as he must've been (The Ring magazine founder), this only shows that just about all of these lists should be taken with a 'grain of salt', as it seems to be impossible for people to make them up without some personal bias.

Machine,
I knew who Fleischer was , but when I saw the 1978 on the original post, I thought that's when he last revised his list. Looking at it again, I still don't know why they would have 1978 on it.
Thanks for clearing up his death date. I was too lazy to check it before I posted, so shame on me.
Also, I agree with you that watching fighters in your "formulative" years must have undue influence, because my grandpap always said that Dempsey was the greatest, my dad grew up with Marciano, so HE's the greatest, and I think Ali's style beats both punchers and boxers, so I pick Ali as numero uno.
I have loads of respect for the great champions of yesteryear. But to think that Fitzsimmons beats the likes of a Dempsey, Louis, Marciano or Tunney is just too my hyperbole for me.
Good post as usual Machine.

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