Top 12 h2h heavyweights in history

[Anthony342]

Exactly....on your entire post....exactly!!

Yeah, plus if Holyfield hadn't been sick and run out of gas, he would've probably TKO'd Bowe in that third fight after he knocked him down, or at least got a decision.

[JAB5239]

To put Frazier on this list is an atrocity.

You can peer into a 1000 parallel universes and Frazier loses to Foreman in every single one of them.

Just because Frazier doesn't match up well with Foreman doesn't mean his style isn't well suited for many other heavies in history h2h.

[Joeyzagz]

Just because Frazier doesn't match up well with Foreman doesn't mean his style isn't well suited for many other heavies in history h2h.

Each person on a H2H list should have at least a 15% chance of beating the other guys on the list. I believe Tyson has at least a 30% chance of beating Evander despite losing twice.

But Frazier has 0% chance of beating Foreman. The fact that he is the only one with a clearly defined ceiling should disqualify him.

[StarshipTrooper]

Each person on a H2H list should have at least a 15% chance of beating the other guys on the list. I believe Tyson has at least a 30% chance of beating Evander despite losing twice.

But Frazier has 0% chance of beating Foreman. The fact that he is the only one with a clearly defined ceiling should disqualify him.

I'd give Tyson 0 chance of beating Foreman. Or Liston for that matter: Bad matchup for Mike plain and simple. I'd give Lennox 0 chance of beating Ali. Should Lennox be disqualified from these lists because he has no shot of beating Ali?

Poet

[Joeyzagz]

I'd give Tyson 0 chance of beating Foreman. Or Liston for that matter: Bad matchup for Mike plain and simple. I'd give Lennox 0 chance of beating Ali. Should Lennox be disqualified from these lists because he has no shot of beating Ali?

Poet

You cant say Tyson has zero chance when they never fought.

Frazier fought Foreman twice there is no need for speculation. He didnt win a single round, got KD'd 6 times and the Left-hook was useless.

[crold1]

You can tear my list down, but Im hoping other will post their own list and reasons. Remember, keep the discussion civil.

The top 12 heavyweight h2h all time

1. Muhammad Ali - Showed his ability to overcome adversity many times and his skills would carry him over nearly every fighter ever.

2. Lennox Lewis - I will inevitably hear about his chin, but no fighter had his skills, size, power and agression when he was at his very best.

3. Larry Holmes - One of the gutsiest and most determined fighters with a skillset and chin to match.

4. Joe Louis - The greatest heavyweight if all time in my opinion. That doesn't mean his style wouldn't allow him to lose at times. It wouldn't be often, but it keeps him from being the best h2h in my opinion.

5. George Foreman - The man could be beat, but lets face it he could destroy any fighter on any given night.

6. Joe Frazier - I have a feeling Frazier being so high will bring a lot of controversy. But with his skill, stamina and tenacity it think few beat him at their respective bests.

7. Sonny Liston - At his best Liston was a tyrant capeable of beating nearly any man in history....and he was mean. A skilled, hard punching fighter who wasn't just in the ring for sport...he wanted to hurt you.

8. Wladimir Klitschko - Any man who can stay focused after 7 years and keep reigning on top has to be great and a threat to most fighters in history. He still doesn't crack my all time top 10 list, but with his skills, size and logevity he deserves a spot on this one.

9. Evander Holyfield - He wan't called the warrior for nothing. Had the chin, skills and stamina to fight with the best in history.

10. Vitaly Klitschko - As much as I hate to give anything to a guy I consider hugely overrated, Vittles is a tough guy and would be at any time in history. His size and awkwardness would provide problems for mant fighters.

11. Mike Tyson - No fighter in history was better in the first 4 rounds. If you were lucky to you still weren't out of danger, but you gave yourself a chance.

12. Jack Johnson - Any man who could fight under the duress Johnson was under would persevere and be great in any era. Oh, and the guy could fight.

I'd actually have Louis right behind Ali but nice stuff. I think Louis matches just fine with the big BIG men of the last decade or so. Lewis early on had terrible balance which favors Joe; later, he could fight timid but wasn't unhittable. Holy made it CLOSE in the rematch and he couldn't let his hands go anymore. Louis, the best combination power puncher ever, would have had some real chances there.

[StarshipTrooper]

You cant say Tyson has zero chance when they never fought.

Frazier fought Foreman twice there is no need for speculation. He didnt win a single round, got KD'd 6 times and the Left-hook was useless.

And Tyson basically got butt raped twice by Holyfield yet you're giving him a 30% chance.....double standards?

Poet

[Joeyzagz]

And Tyson basically got butt raped twice by Holyfield yet you're giving him a 30% chance.....double standards?

Poet

Maybe because Tyson won 5 out of the 14 rounds they fought, which is 35%. Against post-prison Mike, not Prime Mike.

Frazier won 0 out of 7 rounds against Foreman. 0 divided by 7= 0%

[StarshipTrooper]

Maybe because Tyson won 5 out of the 14 rounds they fought, which is 35%. Against post-prison Mike, not Prime Mike.

Frazier won 0 out of 7 rounds against Foreman. 0 divided by 7= 0%

Aside from the obvious point that Holyfield was past-it too, there's a BIG problem with your methodology. Using your method, Vitali Klitschko beats Lennox Lewis 67% of the time. Think HARD on that one.

Poet

[Cardinal Buck]

Vitali probably would beat Lennox about 67% of the time. That Lennox, anyway.