ATG's: Best technical pressure fighter of any era?

[mickey malone]

This thread seems to have been taken over by the Leonard Duran trilogy.... For technical pressure, Shane Mosley, Kostya Tszyu, Azumah Nelson, Ike Williams all come to mind...

[Eric Holder]

Jeff Fenech and Fighting Harada were both pretty relentless

[princemanspoper]

How do you figure? At time Bob Foster was a dominating force at 175 and putting people to sleep. Mac Foster had just lost to Quarry, who Frazier had already destroyed. sorry, but the Bob Foster fight would have been much more intriguing than a fight with a guy with a recent loss to a guy Frazier already beat. To say it wouldn't is just being an ass.

Again you list Mac Fosters loss to Quarry that occured in June of 1970,After Frazier beat Ellis in February of 1970 he was expected to fight Mac Foster in the summer that year.I've already admitted Quarry was never in title contention after his loss to Quarry.Mac Foster was a bigger draw on the west coast than Bob Foster was anywhere

So what are you saying, that Lyle was a better fighter in 72 than 73?
Lol, it doesn't matter. I find it incredibly funny that you would put Frazier down for not fighting an up and coming, yet green fighter, inbetween bouts with ali and Foreman. I mean, how much more of a hater can you be?

Don't blame me for the standards of that time,Lyle was a hot heavyweight at the time and Frazier didn't want anything to do with him.Lyle wasn't the only heavyweight Frazier wanted nothing to do with in that year.Between March of 1971 and January of 1973,Frazier fought just twice against two unranked irrelevant opponents in Ron Stander and Terry Daniels

What are you saying than, just explain it? Because to the minds of objective boxing fans, when you say a fighter intentionally avoided another fighter, that is defined as "ducking".

To evade a responsibility or an obligation which technically Frazier didn't.There is a difference between "ducking" and "avoiding".In todays boxing scene where alphabet soup orgs reign supreme the two have become identified as one but there is a difference

All I just read was "blah, blah, blah, JAB is kicking the snot out of me on this topic"..

If you feel the need to tell yourself that

I'm still waiting for him to get back to me on the judges joke scoring in the Duran Leonard 2 fight.

And you never responded to my reply concerning Joe Louis.And yet you still accuse me of being an alt

[Burning Desire]

Looked through only a few pages, so i don't know if anyone has mentioned him yet. But i'll go with Azumah Nelson, he was a great technical pressure fighter.

[JAB5239]

Again you list Mac Fosters loss to Quarry that occured in June of 1970,After Frazier beat Ellis in February of 1970 he was expected to fight Mac Foster in the summer that year.I've already admitted Quarry was never in title contention after his loss to Quarry.Mac Foster was a bigger draw on the west coast than Bob Foster was anywhere



Don't blame me for the standards of that time,Lyle was a hot heavyweight at the time and Frazier didn't want anything to do with him.Lyle wasn't the only heavyweight Frazier wanted nothing to do with in that year.Between March of 1971 and January of 1973,Frazier fought just twice against two unranked irrelevant opponents in Ron Stander and Terry Daniels





To evade a responsibility or an obligation which technically Frazier didn't.There is a difference between "ducking" and "avoiding".In todays boxing scene where alphabet soup orgs reign supreme the two have become identified as one but there is a difference




If you feel the need to tell yourself that






And you never responded to my reply concerning Joe Louis.And yet you still accuse me of being an alt

Look, you're an idiot, just live with it. You make half assed assumptions and you refuse/can't answer my questions. You're a joke on this board Piss******. End of conversation.

[princemanspoper]

Submission -

1. an act or instance of submitting.
2. the condition of having submitted.
3. submissive conduct or attitude.
4. something that is submitted, as an application.
5. Law. an agreement between parties involved in a dispute, to abide by the decision of an arbitrator or arbitrators.


Hypocrite -

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2. a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, esp. one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements


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1. a person who is notably ****** or lacking in good judgment.
2. Psychology. a person of borderline intelligence in a former classification of mental ******ation, having an intelligence quotient of 50 to 69.
3. JAB5239(boxingscene's village idiot)


I see you have saved one particular qoute I made and featured it as your own personal signature.It's amazing that I can influence and touch the heart's of those even over an internet forum

I am flattered

[JAB5239]

Submission -

1. an act or instance of submitting.
2. the condition of having submitted.
3. submissive conduct or attitude.
4. something that is submitted, as an application.
5. Law. an agreement between parties involved in a dispute, to abide by the decision of an arbitrator or arbitrators.


Hypocrite -

1. a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, esp. a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.
2. a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, esp. one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements


Moron -

1. a person who is notably ****** or lacking in good judgment.
2. Psychology. a person of borderline intelligence in a former classification of mental ******ation, having an intelligence quotient of 50 to 69.
3. JAB5239(boxingscene's village idiot)


I see you have saved one particular qoute I made and featured it as your own personal signature.It's amazing that I can influence and touch the heart's of those even over an internet forum

I am flattered

Awww, poor baby couldn't answer questions now he feels shunned.

[princemanspoper]

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4. Lacking stability; troubled
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2.An offense involving intent to defraud and false representation and obtaining property as a result of that misrepresentation
2.The posting of boxingscene's resident clown JAB5239

[mhager91490]

Wilfredo Gomez in his early days was a great at backing an opponent up while slipping and countering, it can be compared to how Duran applied pressure, he even held his hands like Duran.

Orlando Canizales was great at moving in at angles, deflecting a punch and shooting his counter a split second later, he was really at his best when you were backing up, he wasn't the same fighter when you put him on the back foot like Vasquez and Reyes (in the first fight) but he was one of the best offensive technicians in the history of the sport.

The best though has to go to Roberto Duran.

[Eric Holder]

Wilfredo Gomez in his early days was a great at backing an opponent up while slipping and countering, it can be compared to how Duran applied pressure, he even held his hands like Duran.

Orlando Canizales was great at moving in at angles, deflecting a punch and shooting his counter a split second later, he was really at his best when you were backing up, he wasn't the same fighter when you put him on the back foot like Vasquez and Reyes (in the first fight) but he was one of the best offensive technicians in the history of the sport.

The best though has to go to Roberto Duran.

Gomez had great footwork