Comments Thread For: PBC on ESPN Card Draws in Ratings Average of 428K

[Scipio2009]

Scipio it's a fact PBC is losing millions on these shows. The fight purses are public records you can look them up if you want they are paying out on occasion 10x the amount on purses while getting TV ratings similar to that of ESPN Friday night fights or Golden Boy Foxsports1 fights of the past. The difference is those promoters were paid by the networks and operating on significantly lower purse budget. PBC doesn't get paid by networks they are paying the networks on top of inflated purses for fighters. Stevenson was paid more then Friday night fights and golden boy paid all their fighters combined last year. And we know the attendance for PBC has been bad look at the empty seats. Look at all the rival promoters and managers talking about how PBC are being forced to give away tickets just to try and get fans to show up. So they are making little to no money on the gate. PBC is losing money on these shows they are not making a profit only an idiot would say they are. They are paying out too much money and getting crap TV ratings and forced to just give away half their tickets. There was also no MLB baseball head to head for any of the previous SPIKE cards that flopped. When the next ratings come out and it under performs again you will find something new to blame it on. LOL

PBC has sold many of their cards internationally, across several markets.

I have no doubt that the primetime PBC on NBC shows have probably lost money, but you can't honestly think that Fonfara-Cleverly lost money (rights to the broadcast were sold in the UK, Japan, and Poland).

Outside of the main primetime shows (Thurman-Guerrero, Garcia-Peterson, Wilder's fights, etc), the budgets for the vast majority of the PBC on NBC/CBS/SpikeTV/NBCSN/etc have been significantly less that $2m for the bulk of the shows.

Sell the commercials, sell the broadcast rights internationally, lock up title sponsors for the product (Corona, 1800 Tequila, Applebees, whatever company sponsors the corner cam, whatever company sponsors the ref cam), and sell the tickets in the markets that draw (LA, NYC, Chicago, Tampa, Birmingham, Texas, Las Vegas, and Montreal, among some other markets, have proven themselves to be drawing audiences for PBC).

You add that PBC is basically aggregating their costs over the full length of the three-year deal, and PBC doesn't live or die on the success of any one event.

Peterson-Diaz is a matinee show on NBC tomorrow, and the entire fighter payout for that show likely doesn't even get to $1.5m; if you honestly think that PBC is guaranteed to lose "millions" on that show, knowing that Corona has allotted some money to the show, the commercials for the timeslot are already sold, and Peterson is a decent enough name in his home region to actually sell some tickets; BoxNation may also pony up the money to buy the show as well.

You are significantly overstating the amount of money being spent on each of these shows.

[Scipio2009]

There was a report a month ago that estimated that PBC has already blown through 30% of the investors 400mil and that PBC is already over 100mil in the hole. Now I don't know how accurate that number is but it's clear PBC is operating at a loss and losing millions each show. The ratings have not been good. You just can't sustain these types of loses on a fight by fight basis and get such a weak return on ratings. Unless something drastically changes they will run out of money or get to the point where the investors say this is a lost cause and pull the plug.

If you look at Haymon's fighters you are seeing a interesting shift. Early this year over night Haymon took all his fighters and brought them to PBC. This created a huge void for Showtime. Little to no fights as all their big name fighters were now fighting on PBC cards. Now we are seeing a ton of big name PBC fighters going back to Showtime. I don't think this is coincidence. While the names of the fighters for the next round of PBC fights are significantly less then the names of the guys who had been fighting on PBC earlier this year. I think PBC is getting tired of losing all this money and is trying to get less expensive fights on PBC to attempt to limit the losses and as a result taking his bigger name fighters to fight on Showtime not PBC. On PBC he and his investors are paying for everything. On Showtime they are paying.

... PBC has apparently paid for three years of TV timebuys and all of the various PBC sets/music/etc, all on the front end.

the desperation is hilarious

[HeroBando]

You think that Al Haymon is the devil an anything affiliated with Al Haymon is devilish, and you want Haymon to fail. cong**** to you.

While you sulk, as Haymon continues to move forward (3-5 core PBC sponsors, greater variety of commercials being sold across the programs, etc), fight fans (casual or otherwise) will continue to relish in the abundance of fights being aired on TV, as PBC continues to fine-tune their effort.

Tomorrow night, PBC will air Fonfara-Cleverly and Kono-Kameda on SpikeTV, a doubleheader that's better than basically any card that's being put on outside of the PBC orbit.

The show will likely draw 800k-1m viewers, fans will get another night of quality fights, and you'll continue to loath your existence the entire time. lol

The show did 315k, clown