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Originally posted by Dave Rado View PostLOL at the irony. You're the one who has no clue whatsoever. Of course Haye could sign now to fight Wlad in July, just as Adamek is about to sign now to fight Wlad in September, just as Mayweather and Judah signed a contract, before Judah's tune-up with Boldomir, to fight each other after Boldomir had fought Judah; just as De La Hoya and Hopkins signed a contract, before De La Hoya's tune-up with Sturm, to fight each other after De La Hoya had fought Sturm; - and there are many other precedents.
And of course the WBA wouldn't have enforced the mandatory, if Haye had signed now, after they had already agreed that Haye could defend against Wlad in July.
And even in the vanishingly unlikely event that the WBA did try to enforce it, Chagaev would certainly have taken a step-aside fee as long as he was guaranteed a shot at the winner, just as Ruiz did when Haye wanted to fight Valuev.
As for the possibility that Chisora might beat Wlad, if you really believe that, I have a very nice second hand car I'd like to sell you. In any case, as I said, there are many precedents for exactly this situation. Such contracts get signed all the time.
You really should learn a bit about boxing before you accuse other people of not having a clue!!!
FACT is if he didn't sign a Chisora fight he would be fighting Haye in July you can spin it whatever way you like but that is the truth he would make more money from fighting Haye than the rest of the fights for the rest of his career there is no need to face Adamak first or at least try and find a suitable date for him and Haye to face each other. Don't bother with the 9 week turnaround stuff since anyone in boxing knows Wlad isn't going to do that for any world title bout let alone the biggest one of his career.
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Originally posted by cklmaced View PostSMH im tired of showing you points that you choose to ignore if Wlad really wanted Haye he didn't have to sign to face Chisora plain and simple.
Furthermore, Haye had said he could deliver a football stadium in the UK as a venue for the fight, and then backtracked with very short notice, leaving K2 to pick up the pieces of that as well.
Then Haye agreed contract terms to fight Vitali in September of the same year, but pulled out only one day before the contracts were due to be signed. Whether you accept the reasons he gave for pulling out or not is irrelevant, the timing of the pull-out was not justifiable. On top of what had gone before, it meant that the Klitschkos would never again trust Haye.
In view of that, it is not surprising that Wlad took a stay busy fight, and there is no reason whatsoever why his doing so should prevent the Wlad-Haye fight from happening, other than that Haye was looking for an excuse to pull out. In any case, Haye didn't just turn down a July fight with Wlad, he also turned down a July fight with Vitali (giving no reason), and he also turned down a September fight with either brother (giving no reason), and he has also said that he has no intention of ever fighting either of the Klitschkos. If you think all that can be justified simply because Wlad is taking a stay busy fight (which he has every right to do if he wants to in any case), then you really do live on another planet.
And lol at the irony of your "SMH" statement - considering I owned you over your claim that Haye would have to fight Chagaev first, which you were wrong about.Last edited by Dave Rado; 01-12-2011, 12:14 PM.
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Originally posted by cklmaced View PostIts obvious some of you have no clue whatsoever. Haye can't sign for July even if he wanted too. Reason is cos Wlad signed to face Chisora never mind the fact that this means he has to do his mandatory by the way, that Haye can't sign a unification bout with Wlad cos he might not be champion after the Chisora fight. Therefore WBA won't sanction him to sign to face Wlad unless they know for sure he will be champion at the time they sign on to fight.
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Originally posted by Dave Rado View PostYou're ignoring history. In 2009 Wlad wanted to fight Haye in March, because he likes to have three fights a year (except when he gets injured). Haye insisted on waiting until June. Wlad very reluctantly agreed to wait until June and then Haye pulled out with only two weeks notice, citing an injury that he never provided any medical evidence for, and which almost everyone now believes was bogus. That left Wlad scrabbling around for a credible opponent with only two weeks notice, and he doesn't want to risk being left in that position again.
Furthermore, Haye had said he could deliver a football stadium in the UK as a venue for the fight, and then backtracked with very short notice, leaving K2 to pick up the pieces of that as well.
Then Haye agreed contract terms to fight Vitali in September of the same year, but pulled out only one day before the contracts were due to be signed. Whether you accept the reasons he gave for pulling out or not is irrelevant, the timing of the pull-out was not justifiable. On top of what had gone before, it meant that the Klitschkos would never again trust Haye.
In view of that, it is not surprising that Wlad took a stay busy fight, and there is no reason whatsoever why his doing so should prevent the fight happening. In any case, Haye didn't just turn down a July fight with Wlad, he also turned down a July fight with Vitali (giving no reason), and he also turned down a September fight with either brother (giving no reason), and he has also said that he has no intention of ever fighting the Klitschkos. If you think all that can be justified simply because Wlad is taking a tune-up fight (which he has every right to do if he wants to in any case), then you really do live on another planet.Last edited by cklmaced; 01-12-2011, 11:58 AM.
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Originally posted by cklmaced View PostWhy does he need a tune-up the way y'all make it out he would beat Haye easily everyone knows why he backed out the first time because Setanta Sports went bust secondly Klits never offer fair contracts to their opponents not just Haye have complained about this. Finally Wlad said he would fight him anytime anywhere so his tune-up arguement holds no weight.Last edited by Dave Rado; 01-12-2011, 12:02 PM.
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Originally posted by cklmaced View PostWas anything in my previous post not all true yes or no?
And even if you accept Haye's bullshit reasons for not wanting to fight Wlad nine weeks after Wlad is fighting Chisora, and they are bullshit reasons, that still could not justify Haye in turning down a July fight with Vitali, and a September fight with Wlad, and a September fight with Vitali, all of which he has turned down.Last edited by Dave Rado; 01-12-2011, 12:11 PM.
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Originally posted by Dave Rado View PostNothing in your post had any relevance whatsoever to the post you were replying to, which you obviously didn't read properly. The Chisora fight isn't a tune-up in the sense you pretend, it's a stay busy fight, because Wlad doesn't trust Haye, which is not surprising given Haye's history of lying. And even if you accept Haye's bullshit reasons for not wanting to fight Wlad nine weeks after Wlad is fighting Chisora, and they are bullshit reasons, that still could not justify Haye in turning down a July fight with Vitali, and a September fight with Wlad, and a September fight with Vitali, all of which he has turned down.
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Originally posted by jokling View PostIt shows 2 points
firstly that Vlad was not willing to fight elsewhere to make the dates far more flexible...and secondly it shows Vlad is not willing to fight Adamek so close to a Chisora fight which makes it curious why he would say he would be willing to fight Haye at that time frame.Last edited by jknightx; 01-12-2011, 12:53 PM.
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