Comments Thread For: Wladimir Klitschko: Don't Believe David Haye's Bull****!

[jokling]

Wlad is a far better fighter now than he was then, and Chisora is no Sanders. Sanders was inconsistent but at his best he was world class.



It's a stay busy fight for Wlad, that's all. Chisora is not a bum like Harrison, but he's not world class either. But he's good enough to give Wlad a reasonably competitive and entertaining fight for a few rounds, which is what you need in a stay busy fight.

Sorry but he is not yet reached the Harrison level he is way too green.....Harrison had been fighting the top UK guys for a few years now whilst Chisora has yet to even reach that stage,he is ahead of Tyson Fury but only just.I like Chisora he could be ok in a couple of years but this offer from Vlad came out of the blue and only materialized becuase he is English.Any promotor worth his salt would have refused this offer and laughed but because Chisora is not a marketable fighter Warren decided to go for it.Its not a competetive fight and Chisora will just in the end either fight sorough to get DQ or lose badly.

[cklmaced]

LOL at the irony. You're the one who has no clue whatsoever. Of course Haye could sign now to fight Wlad in July, just as Adamek is about to sign now to fight Wlad in September, just as Mayweather and Judah signed a contract, before Judah's tune-up with Boldomir, to fight each other after Boldomir had fought Judah; just as De La Hoya and Hopkins signed a contract, before De La Hoya's tune-up with Sturm, to fight each other after De La Hoya had fought Sturm; - and there are many other precedents.

And of course the WBA wouldn't have enforced the mandatory, if Haye had signed now, after they had already agreed that Haye could defend against Wlad in July.

And even in the vanishingly unlikely event that the WBA did try to enforce it, Chagaev would certainly have taken a step-aside fee as long as he was guaranteed a shot at the winner, just as Ruiz did when Haye wanted to fight Valuev.

As for the possibility that Chisora might beat Wlad, if you really believe that, I have a very nice second hand car I'd like to sell you. In any case, as I said, there are many precedents for exactly this situation. Such contracts get signed all the time.

You really should learn a bit about boxing before you accuse other people of not having a clue!!!

SMH im tired of showing you points that you choose to ignore if Wlad really wanted Haye he didn't have to sign to face Chisora plain and simple. I dont know why people make it seem like a Chisora fight is important. I never said Chisora would win I was just making the point he could. Wlad has lost to chumps before.

FACT is if he didn't sign a Chisora fight he would be fighting Haye in July you can spin it whatever way you like but that is the truth he would make more money from fighting Haye than the rest of the fights for the rest of his career there is no need to face Adamak first or at least try and find a suitable date for him and Haye to face each other. Don't bother with the 9 week turnaround stuff since anyone in boxing knows Wlad isn't going to do that for any world title bout let alone the biggest one of his career.

[Dave Rado]

SMH im tired of showing you points that you choose to ignore if Wlad really wanted Haye he didn't have to sign to face Chisora plain and simple.

You're ignoring history. In 2009 Wlad wanted to fight Haye in March, because he likes to have three fights a year (except when he gets injured). Haye insisted on waiting until June. Wlad very reluctantly agreed to wait until June and then Haye pulled out with only two weeks notice, citing an injury that he never provided any medical evidence for, and which almost everyone now believes was bogus. That left Wlad scrabbling around for a credible opponent with only two weeks notice, and he doesn't want to risk being left in that position again.

Furthermore, Haye had said he could deliver a football stadium in the UK as a venue for the fight, and then backtracked with very short notice, leaving K2 to pick up the pieces of that as well.

Then Haye agreed contract terms to fight Vitali in September of the same year, but pulled out only one day before the contracts were due to be signed. Whether you accept the reasons he gave for pulling out or not is irrelevant, the timing of the pull-out was not justifiable. On top of what had gone before, it meant that the Klitschkos would never again trust Haye.

In view of that, it is not surprising that Wlad took a stay busy fight, and there is no reason whatsoever why his doing so should prevent the Wlad-Haye fight from happening, other than that Haye was looking for an excuse to pull out. In any case, Haye didn't just turn down a July fight with Wlad, he also turned down a July fight with Vitali (giving no reason), and he also turned down a September fight with either brother (giving no reason), and he has also said that he has no intention of ever fighting either of the Klitschkos. If you think all that can be justified simply because Wlad is taking a stay busy fight (which he has every right to do if he wants to in any case), then you really do live on another planet.


And lol at the irony of your "SMH" statement - considering I owned you over your claim that Haye would have to fight Chagaev first, which you were wrong about.

[jknightx]

Its obvious some of you have no clue whatsoever. Haye can't sign for July even if he wanted too. Reason is cos Wlad signed to face Chisora never mind the fact that this means he has to do his mandatory by the way, that Haye can't sign a unification bout with Wlad cos he might not be champion after the Chisora fight. Therefore WBA won't sanction him to sign to face Wlad unless they know for sure he will be champion at the time they sign on to fight.

Actually the WBA never stated this,not one press release to this effect (Haye oiginally tried to say that was the case but later changed to "no way will Wlad be ready to fight me 9 weeks after he fights Chisora" and " there will not be enough time to promote the fight" both lame reasons becuase the fight is already hype to high heaven and they would start promoting the fight as soon as it was signed,and it is for Wlad to deside if he would be ready to fight in9 weeks not Haye.

[cklmaced]

You're ignoring history. In 2009 Wlad wanted to fight Haye in March, because he likes to have three fights a year (except when he gets injured). Haye insisted on waiting until June. Wlad very reluctantly agreed to wait until June and then Haye pulled out with only two weeks notice, citing an injury that he never provided any medical evidence for, and which almost everyone now believes was bogus. That left Wlad scrabbling around for a credible opponent with only two weeks notice, and he doesn't want to risk being left in that position again.

Furthermore, Haye had said he could deliver a football stadium in the UK as a venue for the fight, and then backtracked with very short notice, leaving K2 to pick up the pieces of that as well.

Then Haye agreed contract terms to fight Vitali in September of the same year, but pulled out only one day before the contracts were due to be signed. Whether you accept the reasons he gave for pulling out or not is irrelevant, the timing of the pull-out was not justifiable. On top of what had gone before, it meant that the Klitschkos would never again trust Haye.

In view of that, it is not surprising that Wlad took a stay busy fight, and there is no reason whatsoever why his doing so should prevent the fight happening. In any case, Haye didn't just turn down a July fight with Wlad, he also turned down a July fight with Vitali (giving no reason), and he also turned down a September fight with either brother (giving no reason), and he has also said that he has no intention of ever fighting the Klitschkos. If you think all that can be justified simply because Wlad is taking a tune-up fight (which he has every right to do if he wants to in any case), then you really do live on another planet.

Why does he need a tune-up the way y'all make it out he would beat Haye easily everyone knows why he backed out the first time because Setanta Sports went bust secondly Klits never offer fair contracts to their opponents not just Haye have complained about this. Finally Wlad said he would fight him anytime anywhere so his tune-up arguement holds no weight. There is no evidence that they offered him a fight in September or a fight with Vitali and also even if they did I recall they gave Haye a choice of which brother to face is anything I said not true.

[Dave Rado]

Why does he need a tune-up the way y'all make it out he would beat Haye easily everyone knows why he backed out the first time because Setanta Sports went bust secondly Klits never offer fair contracts to their opponents not just Haye have complained about this. Finally Wlad said he would fight him anytime anywhere so his tune-up arguement holds no weight.

It's a stay busy fight. What's so terrible about a fighter who likes to stay busy??? You obviously didn't even bother to read my previous post before replying to it.

[cklmaced]

It's a stay busy fight. What's so terrible about a fighter who likes to stay busy???

Was anything in my previous post not all true yes or no?

[Dave Rado]

Was anything in my previous post not all true yes or no?

Nothing in your post had any relevance whatsoever to the post you were replying to, which you obviously didn't read properly. The Chisora fight isn't a tune-up in the sense you pretend, it's a stay busy fight, which Wlad took simply because doesn't trust Haye, which is not surprising given Haye's history of lying.

And even if you accept Haye's bullshit reasons for not wanting to fight Wlad nine weeks after Wlad is fighting Chisora, and they are bullshit reasons, that still could not justify Haye in turning down a July fight with Vitali, and a September fight with Wlad, and a September fight with Vitali, all of which he has turned down.

[cklmaced]

Nothing in your post had any relevance whatsoever to the post you were replying to, which you obviously didn't read properly. The Chisora fight isn't a tune-up in the sense you pretend, it's a stay busy fight, because Wlad doesn't trust Haye, which is not surprising given Haye's history of lying. And even if you accept Haye's bullshit reasons for not wanting to fight Wlad nine weeks after Wlad is fighting Chisora, and they are bullshit reasons, that still could not justify Haye in turning down a July fight with Vitali, and a September fight with Wlad, and a September fight with Vitali, all of which he has turned down.

I guess facts aren't relevant, what evidence is there that he got offered fights in September?

[jknightx]

It shows 2 points

firstly that Vlad was not willing to fight elsewhere to make the dates far more flexible...and secondly it shows Vlad is not willing to fight Adamek so close to a Chisora fight which makes it curious why he would say he would be willing to fight Haye at that time frame.

no it doesnt' show iether of this. first Wlad originally wanted the fight in april but sky refused this date becuase they did not want to have 2 ppv in the same month(They have Khan scheduled for april) and Haye and Wlad both agreed to a later date of julyl 2nd witch Sky also agreed to). And Haye did in fact declined the september date.As for the Adamek fight in september,it may well be becuase of the venue,apparently Poland has a new stadium opening at that time and they want the fight in poland at that stadium because that where the fight will be most proditable.