Does Ali's fight with Terrell tell us how he'd handle the Klitschkos?

[hweightblogger]

and Ali won a gold medal.

Clay was a good light-heavyweight. I give him that.

and Foreman and Frazier won at the HW weight class.

That was Frazier BEFORE he got blind on his left eye.

Ali fought a half-blind Frazier who belongs there where Foreman put him without even sweating.

Theyre HWs. I dont understand how you think Chepulis was not a HW, he looks pretty big to me...

As I said I have no weight data. But considering that nearly every cruiser nowadays fights at 210-215 lbs (at fight night) even big guys can be cruisers.

[CubanGuyNYC]

This is quickly turning into a battle of amateurs. We've seen that amateur glory doesn't necessarily translate to professional success. We were talking about pros here....

[Steak]

Clay was a good light-heavyweight. I give him that.


That was Frazier BEFORE he got blind on his left eye.

Ali fought a half-blind Frazier who belongs there where Foreman put him without even sweating.


As I said I have no weight data. But considering that nearly every cruiser nowadays fights at 210-215 lbs (at fight night) even big guys can be cruisers.

I do have weight data.

Yadim Yemelenov was a natural HW.

http://www.sports-reference.com/olympics/athletes/ye/vadim-yemelyanov-1.html

and even Wladimir weighed only 220lbs when his pro career started, so you would have to assume he weighed less during the amateurs.

[Steak]

This is quickly turning into a battle of amateurs. We've seen that amateur glory doesn't necessarily translate to professional success. We were talking about pros here....

todays amaeur system is far removed from the pro scene, but back in the day when the amateurs were almost the same exact thing as a pro match but shorter...

needless to say, it translates over a lot better. now we have headgear, big gloves, ****** scoring...back then, you just fought like pros for 3 rounds.

[physiker]

I do have weight data.

Yadim Yemelenov was a natural HW.

http://www.sports-reference.com/olympics/athletes/ye/vadim-yemelyanov-1.html

and even Wladimir weighed only 220lbs when his pro career started, so you would have to assume he weighed less during the amateurs.

Don't confuse this guy with the facts. he isn't interested--has an agenda.

And obviously numerically challenged: 43=50. Terrell, Frazier were cruisers when they fought Ali, or such.

I just found out he was here formerly as KNN or such and saw his posts where he called Joe Frazier "featherfisted." So obviously he has some agenda, and the truth isn't part of it.

[physiker]

You're right. I was mistaken.

No problema.

And I love that Guantanamera song and lyrics. I only know it as sung here in the USA. Is it different in Cuba? I have not heard a Cuban version if it is different.

[hweightblogger]

Competing professionally has been forbidden to all athletes hailing from communist countries, not just the Soviet bloc -- that would include Cubans, as well.

Cuba was part of the Soviet Bloc.

But every other nation has had the opportunity to compete. Americans may have had an edge, but they still dominated.

No they didn't have the chance. It's not by accident that approx. 10 years after the fall of the Soviet Union ex-Soviets steamrolled over the division and rule ever since.

I also agree with the distinction of "best," "greatest," etc. Since you bring it up, who, in your opinion, are the "best" and "greatest" heavies of all time?

"Greatest" is a term that I don't use since it is perverted by Americans who consider it "greatest" when Joe Louis wins a proxy war or Clay dodges the draft. Typical, typical, typical for ClayFans is to consider out-of-the ring nonsense as part of the "greatest legacy".

But in terms of a head-to-head ranking (= an in-ring clash) the two most competitive heavyweights would be Prime Lennox Lewis vs Prime Wladimir Klitschko. But I won't go further into it because it's offtopic.

[CubanGuyNYC]

todays amaeur system is far removed from the pro scene, but back in the day when the amateurs were almost the same exact thing as a pro match but shorter...

needless to say, it translates over a lot better. now we have headgear, big gloves, ****** scoring...back then, you just fought like pros for 3 rounds.

I agree 100%. I've been watching both pro and am for a long time; I've seen the change. Whatever you guys wanna do, but I got into this thread based on it's subject (or thereabouts), not what it's morphed into.

[hweightblogger]

I do have weight data.

Yadim Yemelenov was a natural HW.

http://www.sports-reference.com/olympics/athletes/ye/vadim-yemelyanov-1.html

and even Wladimir weighed only 220lbs when his pro career started, so you would have to assume he weighed less during the amateurs.

214 is borderline cruiser. But HW is also fine with me. Thank you.

[hweightblogger]

Don't confuse this guy with the facts. he isn't interested--has an agenda.

Indeed. Spreading the truth about the golden age.

Joe Frazier "featherfisted." So obviously he has some agenda, and the truth isn't part of it.

Of all heavyweight world champs to date (since 18xx) Frazier is bottom #8 MOST FEATHERFISTED. Bottom #8 of 64 world champions (who had real heavyweight fights).

Only undercut by Clay and a few others (like Ernie Terrell).

If you are unwilling to accept this fact it then AGAIN you are a typical ClayFan.

Joe Frazier has a lower KOratio in real heavyweight fights (8 KOs in 18 fights) than Chris Byrd.

Chris Byrd posed a higher KOthreat for Wladimir Klitschko than Joe Frazier.

Get over it.