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Leonard v Hagler Who do you think won?
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I've watched this fight so many times, it's dead even - only thing is..Hagler was the one making the fight, Leonard was running, it's Hagler title. I gave the fight to Hagler.
I didn't see "Leonard winning so many rounds" Even the early ones are hard to score. It's just that commentating made things worse. Hagler didn't land much early and SRL moved a lot, SRL damn near did nothing as well however, people forget that.
I gave it to Hagler, I've watched the fight so many times even with people sitting beside me and giving their 2 cents.
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Well i scored it for Hagler, here is my card from the Scorecard thread
Round 1 - 10-9 SRL
Round 2 - 10-9 SRL
Round 3 - 9-10 HAGLER
Round 4 - 10-9 SRL
Round 5 - 9-10 HAGLER
Round 6 - 10-9 SRL
Round 7 - 9-10 HAGLER
Round 8 - 9-10 HAGLER
Round 9 - 9-10 HAGLER
Round 10 - 9-10 HAGLER
Round 11 - 9-10 HAGLER
Round 12 - 9-10 HAGLER
TOTAL 116-112 - HAGLER
Seems wider looking at it on paper than it felt, there were a few close rounds in there that could have gone to Ray but i liked Marvins pressure, harder shots and his workrate over Leonards Flashy bursts
1 & 2 were Sugar Ray rounds, in the third Hagler went to his natural stance of southpaw and i thought he done enough. The 4th was Sugars, the 5th was a very close round that could have went either way but i went for Hagler, the 6th Ray did enough too take with his elusiveness and flashy combo's. 7 was Haglers, The 8th was clearly Marvin rd, round 9 was a great round which i gave to Hagler but Ray made close with a big Flurry near the end, 10 to Hagler, 11 was a close one but i felt while SRL was showboating and moving he wasnt scoring effective shots or at least not enough, and the 12 round Sugar Ray showboated without doing too much other than one great flurry mid round, Hagler sealed it with a big left and a couple of follow up shots at the very end
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Ive always had it comfortably for Leonard, even though i really wanted Hagler to win.
Leonard imo landed the cleaner, harder shots (its a myth Leonard only landed 'pitty pat punches to impress the judges). And applied his game plan perfectly. He simply outboxed Hagler.
BUT....when i tried watching it recently, paying close attention to EVERY punch landed (i had to watch several rounds 2 or 3 times), i noticed Hagler did land more body shots than i thought he did.
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Originally posted by #1Assassin View Posthagler won this fight. i ALWAYS pick the boxer over the brawler, except in this case. for most of the fight leonard didnt box he ran, just circled hagler without throwing punches. when he did throw punches most of them didnt land and when they did they rarely landed flush and never with any effect.
haglers punches were acctually cleaner in addition to being harder and much more effective. hagler ****ed up, had he started faster he wouldve knocked leonard out. but he still won, it was close but he won.
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Originally posted by The Surgeon View PostWell i scored it for Hagler, here is my card from the Scorecard thread
Round 1 - 10-9 SRL
Round 2 - 10-9 SRL
Round 3 - 9-10 HAGLER
Round 4 - 10-9 SRL
Round 5 - 9-10 HAGLER
Round 6 - 10-9 SRL
Round 7 - 9-10 HAGLER
Round 8 - 9-10 HAGLER
Round 9 - 9-10 HAGLER
Round 10 - 9-10 HAGLER
Round 11 - 9-10 HAGLER
Round 12 - 9-10 HAGLER
TOTAL 116-112 - HAGLER
Seems wider looking at it on paper than it felt, there were a few close rounds in there that could have gone to Ray but i liked Marvins pressure, harder shots and his workrate over Leonards Flashy bursts
1 & 2 were Sugar Ray rounds, in the third Hagler went to his natural stance of southpaw and i thought he done enough. The 4th was Sugars, the 5th was a very close round that could have went either way but i went for Hagler, the 6th Ray did enough too take with his elusiveness and flashy combo's. 7 was Haglers, The 8th was clearly Marvin rd, round 9 was a great round which i gave to Hagler but Ray made close with a big Flurry near the end, 10 to Hagler, 11 was a close one but i felt while SRL was showboating and moving he wasnt scoring effective shots or at least not enough, and the 12 round Sugar Ray showboated without doing too much other than one great flurry mid round, Hagler sealed it with a big left and a couple of follow up shots at the very end
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I scored rounds 1-6 exactly the same as you.
But theres no way that Hagler swept the final six rounds!!!
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I think Hagler should have and could have won the fight, but didn't. He didn't because he came in there with the wrong attitude and let sugar dictate what the fight was going to be. If there had been a rematch I'm pretty confident hagler would win. perhaps hagler's anger about the decision and scoring is as much anger with himself and the way he fought it as anything.
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Originally posted by them_apples View PostI've watched this fight so many times, it's dead even - only thing is..Hagler was the one making the fight, Leonard was running, it's Hagler title. I gave the fight to Hagler.
I didn't see "Leonard winning so many rounds" Even the early ones are hard to score. It's just that commentating made things worse. Hagler didn't land much early and SRL moved a lot, SRL damn near did nothing as well however, people forget that.
I gave it to Hagler, I've watched the fight so many times even with people sitting beside me and giving their 2 cents.
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