as a brit, david haye is giving brit fighters a bad name

[Pirao]

How was Valuev unbeaten? Chagaev already beat him officially and if you count all the robberies then Valuev was probably beaten 3-4 times already.

He's a brit, most of them live in a world of their own when it comes to Haye

[IconBoy]

becoms undisputed cruiserweight champion

moves up a weight to the heavyweights, beats an un-beaten giant.

destroys his mandatory and now wants to unify the belts to become undisputed heavyweight champion of the world.

yes, David is giving Brits a bad name

We have a winner

[SoldierWarrior]

We have a winner

We have a loser, because Chagaev already beat Valuev officially and Holyfield was robbed against Valuev. And other people said Ruiz also beat Valuev... Unbeaten? Please stop smoking bad-drugs, some of you brits make me wish I didn't have british blood since you know **** about boxing. You think Valuev was ****ing undefeated.... How sad, keep living in your own world.

[maverock]

Valuev sucks donkey ****, he priced himself out against Vitali because he is a big giant *****. He was asking for more money to fight Vitali then he got against Haye I think I heard... Which is ridiculous, since he is coming off a loss. What a giant duck he is.

Valuev - Haye rematch will be one heck of a chicken fest. Valuev talked himself out of a deal with Vitali, Haye wants no piece of Wlad.

[Shattered Jaw]

No I really do not rate Haye's Cruiserweight Victories all that highly. I give him credit for the Mormeck win but none for the Enzo win and I thought he had a very rough time with Fragomeni who has since lost to LHW Champion Erdei.

I do feel that Froch lost to Dirrell but not as clearly as some people do. Ultimately I blame Andre for not doing enough and I can live with that result.

Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell, Kessler represents a very tough stretch of fights that puts any 4 fight stretch in Haye's career to shame. For the record Haye has actually taken 25 months to fight 4 times against tailor made comp. Froch did his 4 most recent fights in 16 months.

Also, last time I checked Froch had never been stopped in embarrassing fashion like David Haye was against Carl Thompson.

I would much rather support Froch than Haye. Froch fights like a hardass and he will go out like a warrior everytime.

Haye has very little durability and will likely find a soft place to fall against Klitschko and embarrass the people who support him.

One of the most reasonable and sensible posts I have read in a long time. Anything else will just be nonsense from guys like 'm4a5f' and 'british_fan' who are obsessed with cherry pickers like Khan and Haye and yet trash the solid core of British boxing that is Froch.

[IconBoy]

We have a loser, because Chagaev already beat Valuev officially and Holyfield was robbed against Valuev. And other people said Ruiz also beat Valuev... Unbeaten? Please stop smoking bad-drugs, some of you brits make me wish I didn't have british blood since you know **** about boxing. You think Valuev was ****ing undefeated.... How sad, keep living in your own world.

I was agreeing with the undisputed cruiserweight champion part, moving to Heavyweight and wanting to unify the Heavyweight belts. If a white British fighter would have done this, hed be a god among men.

You're just a troll who doesn't have anything new to say, first Khan and now Haye lol, i know your agenda.

Ive just found your family portrait.

[Pirao]

I was agreeing with the undisputed cruiserweight champion part, moving to Heavyweight and wanting to unify the Heavyweight belts. If a white British fighter would have done this, hed be a god among men.

You're just a troll who doesn't have anything new to say, first Khan and now Haye lol, i know your agenda.

Ive just found your family portrait.

I repeat, Haye was never undisputed. Undisputed = having all major belts, Haye never had the IBF belt.

[Shattered Jaw]

I repeat, Haye was never undisputed. Undisputed = having all major belts, Haye never had the IBF belt.

Undisputed does not mean having all the belts.

Consider a situation in which which Mosely destroys:

Mayweather
Pac
Berto

And thus has 3 of the 4 major belts at 147. The IBF is still with some guy that noones ever heard of... does that mean Mosely is disputed by him? Absolutely not of course.

Going back to the Haye situation. I'm never sure whether to use the word undisputed with Haye. Sure, he was the lineal champ after KOing Mormeck and he solidified that with a win over WBO holder Macca. Cunningham was a good fighter and had the IBF belt... however there was never any demand for the fight and they didn't call each other out. I'm not saying Cunningham is not a good fighter but I think Haye could have beaten him... so I usually say undisputed but I agree.. there could be a grey area here.

[SoldierWarrior]

The brits are so intelligent at boxing that they thought Valuev was a great champion and undefeated. The brits thought Valuev was a great fighter just because he is 7 feet tall. They thought Haye won the belt from some tremendous boxer.

[Pirao]

The brits are so intelligent at boxing that they thought Valuev was a great champion and undefeated. The brits thought Valuev was a great fighter just because he is 7 feet tall. They thought Haye won the belt from some tremendous boxer.

Yup, when in reality Valuev = joke champion that 47 year old Holyfield defeated (but was robbed).