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Old 11-08-2019, 03:28 PM #1
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Default This is why boxing should stop "brewing" fights

I think it's safe to say that Spence vs Crawford will not have the same build up velocity as once before due to Spence's injuries. Even if the fight happens, there will always be the dark clouded question of "Was Spence what he was before the accident".

Mayweather vs Pac in 2009 is another example of a fight that took too long to brew.

Gamboa vs Juan Manual Lopez is another example

Wilder vs Joshua

Roy vs Dariusz

Pryor vs Leonard

If we're not careful, Loma vs Tank is not too far behind.

Come on boxing promoters. Cut this (expletive) out and let's make history
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Old 11-08-2019, 03:34 PM #2
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here's the problem:
they don't box to please you.

mayweather and pacquiao fought at an inflated rate for years and years becasue they didn't fight in '09. would floyd vs ortiz, guerrero, be big fights if not for the prospect of a fight with pacquiao? how about pacquiao vs clottey, algieri, brandon rios, etc?

didn't matter that both were past their best when they did fight, they broke pay per view records and the fight was bigger in '15 than it would have been in '09 and you know it! tyson vs holyfield was bigger after tyson got out of prison! that's just the reality of how these things work.


change your thread title to "this is why boxers should stop boxing for money."

if they didn't make f#ckloads of money to box they would not do it! you can die in there. nobody is going to say "you know what, let's make less money to please beterbiev #1 [surely an alt,] on bscene."

clownery! sheesh!
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now gamboa vs lopez we van agree on. non english speaking, tiny guys with exciting styles. neither guy "panned out" to be a lasting figure in the sport.

should have taken the money and ran, but lopez got beat up by mtagwa, was in wars with salido, a 2 round "war" with bernabe concepcion, etc. gamboa got the communist disease and got a taste of the good life in america. ate his way out of wieghts where lopez fought. got his fight with crawford [stupidly] and got beat up for his trouble.
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here's the problem:
they don't box to please you.

mayweather and pacquiao fought at an inflated rate for years and years becasue they didn't fight in '09.
That's not a realistic example. Floyd and Pac before heading to 2009 weren't even in the same class, and this fight went dead in 2010 because one of them didn't agree with pre-fight testing.

Floyd paved the way for HBO to create VADA testing in 2011.
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here's the problem:
they don't box to please you.

mayweather and pacquiao fought at an inflated rate for years and years becasue they didn't fight in '09. would floyd vs ortiz, guerrero, be big fights if not for the prospect of a fight with pacquiao? how about pacquiao vs clottey, algieri, brandon rios, etc?

didn't matter that both were past their best when they did fight, they broke pay per view records and the fight was bigger in '15 than it would have been in '09 and you know it! tyson vs holyfield was bigger after tyson got out of prison! that's just the reality of how these things work.


change your thread title to "this is why boxers should stop boxing for money."

if they didn't make f#ckloads of money to box they would not do it! you can die in there. nobody is going to say "you know what, let's make less money to please beterbiev #1 [surely an alt,] on bscene."

clownery! sheesh!




I agree with the thread starter

but there is a lot of truth in this post

we want the good fights, but the fighters want the maximum payout for their risk/investment
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That's not a realistic example. Floyd and Pac before heading to 2009 weren't even in the same class, and this fight went dead in 2010 because one of them didn't agree with pre-fight testing.

Floyd paved the way for HBO to create VADA testing in 2011.




absolutely true !

that fight was not delayed for marination purposes

but we all saw the result... fight = twice as big

so I get what guys are doing, especially Spence/Crawford, who are not big names
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Pryor vs Leonard
Not really a marination for any length. Both the Duran and Leonard fights with Pryor went as follows: Between 1980-1981: Pryor was offered $750,000 to fight Roberto Duran but turned it down because his new attorney told him not to sign anything until he worked out a new contract with LaRosa. By the time they worked out a new agreement, the chance to fight Duran was gone.

1982: Pryor signed to face Sugar Ray Leonard for the undisputed welterweight championship in the fall of 1982. His purse was going to be $750,000. Pryor had previously been offered $500,000 to fight Leonard, but he turned it down. Before fighting Pryor, Leonard first had to defend his title against Roger Stafford in Buffalo, New York on May 14, 1982. Pryor was on his way to Buffalo to taunt Leonard (business is business even between close friends) and help hype the fight when he heard on his car radio that Leonard had suffered a detached retina. "I pulled off to the side of the road and I cried," Pryor said. Pryor was saddened because of two reasons, one was because he was missing out on the biggest payday of his career and two, because he was seeing his close friend Leonard's career cut short. Leonard retired six months later.

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We did possibly missed out on that fight but honestly it's not their fault, they fight on two different platforms. Spence can be healthy and the fight still won't happen in 2020.

Look, Crawford is 100% healthy, active, in his prime, and he isn't exactly fighting any killers. His next fight, it took me a few seconds to pronounce his opponents name, Kavaliauskas. Khan, Benavidez, Horn, Indongo. Spence would've been a step up from his last real threat Viktor Postol, and before Postol his last good fighter was Beltran imo.

So Crawford isn't exactly fighting anyone either. We can't just wait for one single fight while he fights no one. And that's not his fault. He fights at Top Rank so his options are limited. He can't get names like Pacquiao, Porter, DSG, Mikey, Thurman, Spence (if healthy).

So Crawford is really fcked fighting on ESPN+/Top Rank.
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WTF do we know? None of us ever created a Superstar in the sport of boxing and none of us has ever promoted a mega fight

Let the Promoters Promote and fans need to stay in their place and be FANS! I do prefer UFC method of #1 vs #2 as well as matchups like #3 vs #4 always fighting to determine who is next for #1. That is the way it should be but too many belts, too many fanboy emotional attached GROUPIES and too many Belt Organizations making Rules as the go based around the face of Boxing (WBC!)

Big Fights will happen when they happen, we come on this forum a complain until we get Karpaltunnel but the Powers that be in boxing don't give a F#CK what we think. They will do what they want when they want and while we will complain we will still watch and they know that

One thing Boxing will never do is run out of Good Fights and big fights so if one fight don't happen ultimately another big fight will. Lennox vs Bowe not happening did not ruin anything for Lennox Lewis, he still got Holyfield, Tyson and plenty of other big fights in his career without that Bowe Fight
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WTF do we know? None of us ever created a Superstar in the sport of boxing and none of us has ever promoted a mega fight

Let the Promoters Promote and fans need to stay in their place and be FANS! I do prefer UFC method of #1 vs #2 as well as matchups like #3 vs #4 always fighting to determine who is next for #1. That is the way it should be but too many belts, too many fanboy emotional attached GROUPIES and too many Belt Organizations making Rules as the go based around the face of Boxing (WBC!)

Big Fights will happen when they happen, we come on this forum a complain until we get Karpaltunnel but the Powers that be in boxing don't give a F#CK what we think. They will do what they want when they want and while we will complain we will still watch and they know that

One thing Boxing will never do is run out of Good Fights and big fights so if one fight don't happen ultimately another big fight will. Lennox vs Bowe not happening did not ruin anything for Lennox Lewis, he still got Holyfield, Tyson and plenty of other big fights in his career without that Bowe Fight
UFC fighters have one promoter, who keeps most of the money. You got main event fighters beating the crap out of eachother for $500k a piece, with Reebok giving them $20k each. For a total whopping $520k. This is a main event with millions of fans subbed to ESPN+ for them, you got $6million in gate revenue. And the main event fighters take $520k each.

That's just sad.

I mean $500k is not nothing. I'd fight for $500k for one night too. Pay my student loans and car with one night of work. But you have main event fighters in boxing taking $30mill, $20mil, $10mill, $5mill a night. You see why these UFC fighters want to jump over to boxing to make 100x more than what they make at UFC. Canelo vs Masvidal would make Masvidal a quick multi millionaire, money that can make him retire from fighting. UFC fighters saw what McGregor did and now they want a piece of that.
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