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    I did not include vacant as an option in the original polls because I felt like the polls are meant to pick a champion from the titlists and having a vacant option just makes things more convoluted not less.

    Yes, the inclusion of TF is an affront to this idea, but, we all know had I not included Fury plenty would have cried and at least including him made the poll interesting. MF'er won, shocked me, I thought Andy had that in the bag.

    For me personally, I just want to be able to answer casuals with a name. Who is the HW champion? Tyson Fury. Who is the Lightweight Champion? Lomachenko. Much nicer answers to me than " Well, see, no one's really proven themselves. There's three champion claims for HW, two are sanctioning body titlists and one is a traditional claim. One guy is a fan favorite, the other has the majority of titles, the last has been champion longest and has the most defenses, so I say it is vacant"

    My ****, that's a ****ty answer to have to give people. In any form! Re-word it, slice it up however you like, it might be true, but, it takes a casual to a depth they don't even understand.


    Every title fight I end up posting on YT what belt belongs to what org and getting all sorts of thumbies. The casuals don't even know the WBC is green or EBU is blue.


    That said, that was my logic. I didn't bring vacant into it because I wanted simple answers, one name, per division.

    But I am not meant to dictate to you all what the polls should reflect. If you want vacant because you don't want undeserving men being given props, I get that, I respect that.


    So I put it to y'all. Should a BoxingScene Championship polls have a vacant option?
    7
    Include Vacant
    42.86%
    3
    Do not include Vacant
    57.14%
    4

  • #2
    Crowning a champion shouldn't be about filling a vacancy, it should be about who is best.

    Lineal championships are all that matters.

    If there's no lineal champion, no amount of belts matters.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by famicommander View Post
      Crowning a champion shouldn't be about filling a vacancy, it should be about who is best.

      Lineal championships are all that matters.

      If there's no lineal champion, no amount of belts matters.
      So, you're saying add lineal?

      I think HW is the only one where the lineal is not a body champion as well right? I kinda done did then I reckon.

      I'm a bit confused, should vacant be an option when selecting the champion in a division with multiple champions?

      Lineal is all the matters really isn't an answer and since I included Fury I'm not sure what your message is.

      Sorry bud, I'm too ******, mind rewording?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Marchegiano View Post
        So, you're saying add lineal?

        I think HW is the only one where the lineal is not a body champion as well right? I kinda done did then I reckon.

        I'm a bit confused, should vacant be an option when selecting the champion in a division with multiple champions?

        Lineal is all the matters really isn't an answer and since I included Fury I'm not sure what your message is.

        Sorry bud, I'm too ******, mind rewording?
        I'm saying that only lineal championships matter, so vacant should be an option on the polls because most lineal titles are vacant.

        No matter how many alphabet soup belts someone has, if they're not the lineal champion it doesn't mean a damn thing.

        Fury is not the lineal champion right now, either. He retired, he vacated the claim. ESPN is just hyping up his false claim to sell his fights because no new lineal champion has been crowned since Fury vacated.

        The only real champions right now in boxing

        Light Heavyweight: Artur Beterbiev (b. Gvozdyk)

        Middleweight: Canelo Alvarez (b. Golovkin to win title he previously vacated after winning it from Cotto)

        Super Welterweight: Mikey Garcia (b. Sergey Lipinets to win vacant title, but hasn't defended it in over a year. If his next fight is not at 140, he vacates)

        Super Bantamweight: Guillermo Rigondeaux (b. Nonito Donaire)

        Super Flyweight: Juan Franciso Estrada (b. Srisaket Sor Rungvisai)

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        • #5
          You forgot Guillermo Rigodeaux at 122.

          He’s the lineal champion but no longer an ABC champion because the WBA stripped him for moving up in weight and losing to Lomachenko, despite the fact that he came back down to 122 immediately.

          Strangely enough, the WBA didn’t do this to Roy Jones when he moved to heavyweight and came back down, because ABC titles are completely screwed, have no consistency and deserve to die.

          Originally posted by Marchegiano View Post
          So, you're saying add lineal?

          I think HW is the only one where the lineal is not a body champion as well right? I kinda done did then I reckon.

          I'm a bit confused, should vacant be an option when selecting the champion in a division with multiple champions?

          Lineal is all the matters really isn't an answer and since I included Fury I'm not sure what your message is.

          Sorry bud, I'm too ******, mind rewording?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by famicommander View Post
            I'm saying that only lineal championships matter, so vacant should be an option on the polls because most lineal titles are vacant.

            No matter how many alphabet soup belts someone has, if they're not the lineal champion it doesn't mean a damn thing.

            Fury is not the lineal champion right now, either. He retired, he vacated the claim. ESPN is just hyping up his false claim to sell his fights because no new lineal champion has been crowned since Fury vacated.

            The only real champions right now in boxing

            Light Heavyweight: Artur Beterbiev (b. Gvozdyk)

            Middleweight: Canelo Alvarez (b. Golovkin to win title he previously vacated after winning it from Cotto)

            Super Welterweight: Mikey Garcia (b. Sergey Lipinets to win vacant title, but hasn't defended it in over a year. If his next fight is not at 140, he vacates)

            Super Bantamweight: Guillermo Rigondeaux (b. Nonito Donaire)

            Super Flyweight: Juan Franciso Estrada (b. Srisaket Sor Rungvisai)
            Okay, I got you clear now I reckon


            Wouldn't this at minimum require a BoxingScene consensus for what exactly lineal is?

            I had tried that once actually. I'm willing to give it a go again, but, you and I can't rightly just tell the rest of the forum this is what lineal is regardless of if they disagree.



            I'll give an example:

            You says Fury is not lineal because he retired the title.

            Corbett retired the title and got it back without fighting anyone as well.

            This is an inconsistency in the lineal crown. Is Corbett not a lineal? Is Bob Fitzsimmons a two time lineal given he won Corbett's title post Corbett's retirement then beat Corbett himself later for the same title?

            So, to name lineals one first must define lineal and the definition must also fit the accept list of lineals.

            If Fury retired the lineal then why isn't Bob Fitzsimmons the first two time HW champion and the only MW to ever win the HW crown twice?

            Fury's claim fits in-line with the narrative I just placed, but, what of the return of Ali, or Jeffries? Neither of those guys were instantly crowned lineal on their return....then against neither of them claimed it and Corbett and Fury did.


            I'd accept lineal if lineal as consistent. What it actually is, is a list of men who are justified for tons of reasons that contradict one another on the ground that it is the closest to man who beat the man.

            Which itself has become laughable. Sullivan wasn't just lineal he was undisputed. Bill Gretting is the name of a name who had a disputed reign, you don't see him on lineal lists. But then when bodies make a dispute all of a sudden being the man and being undisputed are two different things.

            So some may claim Wlad himself was never lineal as he was never undisputed. The last lineal would be Lennox until around undisputed comes and then loses to a man who for whatever reason can not keep all the titles.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by ShaneMosleySr View Post
              You forgot Guillermo Rigodeaux at 122.

              He’s the lineal champion but no longer an ABC champion because the WBA stripped him for moving up in weight and losing to Lomachenko, despite the fact that he came back down to 122 immediately.

              Strangely enough, the WBA didn’t do this to Roy Jones when he moved to heavyweight and came back down, because ABC titles are completely screwed, have no consistency and deserve to die.
              I ****ed up!

              I'm not big on the little guys but even still...Good looking out my dude.

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              • #8
                The TBRB is the keeper of the lineal championship at this point.

                http://www.tbrb.org

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by famicommander View Post
                  The TBRB is the keeper of the lineal championship at this point.

                  http://www.tbrb.org
                  hard, flat, plain as day; no

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Marchegiano View Post
                    hard, flat, plain as day; no
                    They're the only organization that follows its own rules and is not tied to the promoters or networks.

                    Ring is owned by a promoter in the literal sense, the alphabet soup organizations are all ridiculously corrupt.

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