Comments Thread For: Loeffler: Golovkin Wants Saunders Next if He Can Beat Canelo

[S7V7N]

when the very first Canelo/Golovkin negotiation broke down over weight..... you fcukboys were SCREAMING for Canelo to be stripped

You always seem to forget what Canelo said in the ring twice & that he'd fight GGG at 160. You can't dictate what weight a mandatory defense is made at. That's a catch weight & there's no reason for the mandatory to accept those ridiculous terms. He won the belt at catch weight & knew the defense was already ordered for him to even get the shot. Then agreed for voluntary & still backtracked once again. He said he wasn't a middleweight & GGG called him out on it so he pussed out & dropped the belt. Pretty simple stuff. You just pull shyt out of your ass when someone comes back at you with proper sustainable facts & change the argument as usual.

Thought this thread was about GGG & Saunders? Yet you wanna talk about reasoning for other fights all the time? Get over it. Create another thread.

[S7V7N]

Boxing is their job, so money is generally a big part in someones professional choices. Title belts are essentially there to show who is the best but with that usually comes money. with the proliferation of belts these can often times diverge and sometimes a guy will have to drop a belt to make more money.

If a guy drops a belt for this reason or is forced to it is not like their ranking changes much and they will still get really good opportunities for the most part anyway. A guy like Spence or Wilder or even Golovkin back when this was going on needed belts to draw prestige to their position in hopes the big fights come. A guy like Gaele or Golovkin currently can afford to drop the belt because it has served it's purpose and it is time to cash in.


Not something all fans like to hear or talk about but if someone is being real about high level boxing these are the hard choices that guys need to make and generally going for the money in this hard game is the choice that will get made and is generally the correct choice.

I totally agree with you, it's been done by many guys for a number of plausible reasons. I was simply using that as an example for some that currently feel differently & trying to show the double standard. Thanks for clarifying your stance.

[Letmaku]

But of course and then GGG retire!

[Ake-Dawg]

You always seem to forget what Canelo said in the ring twice & that he'd fight GGG at 160. You can't dictate what weight a mandatory defense is made at. That's a catch weight & there's no reason for the mandatory to accept those ridiculous terms. He won the belt at catch weight & knew the defense was already ordered for him to even get the shot. Then agreed for voluntary & still backtracked once again. He said he wasn't a middleweight & GGG called him out on it so he pussed out & dropped the belt. Pretty simple stuff. You just pull shyt out of your ass when someone comes back at you with proper sustainable facts & change the argument as usual.

Thought this thread was about GGG & Saunders? Yet you wanna talk about reasoning for other fights all the time? Get over it. Create another thread.

You're missing it ignoring the entire point. Alvarez dropped the belt over money. The GGG posters were irate as and said, you don't avoid mandatories. When GGG avoided his mandatory in Dervy, those same posters lauded it as a smart business decision.

Why do principles change based on the fighter. Charlo was about to be avoided if the Alvarez fight fell apart. Another mandatory foregone. These so called fans will support a Saunders fight because it makes GGG more money but not the better fight in GGG Charlo?

[S7V7N]

You're missing it ignoring the entire point. Alvarez dropped the belt over money. The GGG posters were irate as and said, you don't avoid mandatories. When GGG avoided his mandatory in Dervy, those same posters lauded it as a smart business decision.

Why do principles change based on the fighter. Charlo was about to be avoided if the Alvarez fight fell apart. Another mandatory foregone. These so called fans will support a Saunders fight because it makes GGG more money but not the better fight in GGG Charlo?

Your second point first. Saunders is a unification & trumps any mandatory so there should not be any reason for anyone to be upset if that indeed had materialized.

Canelo dropped it over weight, not money, that's why some piled on him. He "won" the MW title, not some catchweight title yet he was trying to dictate terms to his mandatory that had no reason to abide by them. Gennady could of bent to make the fight, but as we just saw with his firm negotiating stance he didn't feel he needed to.

SD was short notice & I've posted this many times. He wasn't even given the 30 negotiating term that SD & DJ are currently under. They also then get 2 months to prepare even after they come to an agreement. IBF really jumped the gun to force their mandatory & penalized GGG for wanting to stay busy. Did he pick the best opponent? Probably not but you get what you can on a month's notice. Don't you think GGG deserved the time to prepare?

[Ake-Dawg]

Your second point first. Saunders is a unification & trumps any mandatory so there should not be any reason for anyone to be upset if that indeed had materialized.

Canelo dropped it over weight, not money, that's why some piled on him. He "won" the MW title, not some catchweight title yet he was trying to dictate terms to his mandatory that had no reason to abide by them. Gennady could of bent to make the fight, but as we just saw with his firm negotiating stance he didn't feel he needed to.

SD was short notice & I've posted this many times. He wasn't even given the 30 negotiating term that SD & DJ are currently under. They also then get 2 months to prepare even after they come to an agreement. IBF really jumped the gun to force their mandatory & penalized GGG for wanting to stay busy. Did he pick the best opponent? Probably not but you get what you can on a month's notice. Don't you think GGG deserved the time to prepare?

Fighting a unification isn't always better and doesn't trump a mandatory unless the organization approves it.

Let's be clear, May 5 was not a date set in stone to fight. There was also at least 6 weeks left to prepare for SD when Alvarez pulled out of the fight. So K2 asked for early tests because they suspected Alvarez was dirty but had ZERO back up plan in case he was. You know like Hearn had Takam on standby.

So Canelo dropped the belt over weight yet continued to negotiate a fight at 160 after dropping the belt?

[S7V7N]

Fighting a unification isn't always better and doesn't trump a mandatory unless the organization approves it.

Let's be clear, May 5 was not a date set in stone to fight. There was also at least 6 weeks left to prepare for SD when Alvarez pulled out of the fight. So K2 asked for early tests because they suspected Alvarez was dirty but had ZERO back up plan in case he was. You know like Hearn had Takam on standby.

So Canelo dropped the belt over weight yet continued to negotiate a fight at 160 after dropping the belt?

Well we'd have to wait for a ruling from the WBC on that to know for sure but I believe it does.

Yes, they certainly could have canceled 5/5 & tried to negotiate something for July? Tough to pull off the Sept bout with Canelo though I'd think. Loeffler certainly didn't think they were going to get stripped, gambled & lost. They might have reconsidered had they known how the future would unfold. I do agree that he should of had a back up, think he learned & why Saunders was waiting in the wings this time. A little slow on the learning curve I agree.

Canelo dropped the belt & then continued to negotiate for the catchweight saying that now there's no title at stake that they could perhaps agree on a cw. I'm not sure how serious they were on really making the fight though. Remember their first offer was 10%, then a flat fee. GGG didn't accept either & took him another year to get the fight only after agreeing to 30%. Also think about it from Canelo's side. They took fights with Khan, Smith & Chavez that all made less money than they would of & ended up making vs GGG. Should tell you a little about how badly they wanted the fight at that time.

[Leonis]

Fu&k Saunders, he's a piece of trash. The belt means nothing anyway if all you want to do is cherry pick GGG's leftovers until you can cash it out.

Seriously, Billy Ho is everything that is wrong with boxing. 3 years a world champ, 3 defences and can't sell a ticket for ****. On top of that he's a scumbag.

GGG should let him rot with the WBO belt, it means nothing if he wins it from such a piss-poor champion.

I dont like him neither but he is young undefeted world champion with wins over Andy Lee Eubank Monroe Lemieux...
O dont think G can find any more legit opponent out there than bjs at least for now

[Leonis]

You're missing it ignoring the entire point. Alvarez dropped the belt over money. The GGG posters were irate as and said, you don't avoid mandatories. When GGG avoided his mandatory in Dervy, those same posters lauded it as a smart business decision.

Why do principles change based on the fighter. Charlo was about to be avoided if the Alvarez fight fell apart. Another mandatory foregone. These so called fans will support a Saunders fight because it makes GGG more money but not the better fight in GGG Charlo?

BJS is better and more accomplished than Charlo

[famicommander]

Ideally we get
GGG vs Canelo II
Saunders vs anybody for the WBO
Jacobs vs Derevyanchenko for the IBF

Then, assuming they all win
GGG vs Saunders to unify the WBA (Super)/WBC/WBO/IBO/Ring/lineal titles
Jacobs vs Charlo

And then finally
GGG vs Jacobs II for the undisputed middleweight title

Then GGG could either retire or fight a few mandos before retiring

Those are probably the three best fights left at middleweight for GGG, both in terms of money snd legacy.