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The Ring Mag: Vlad Loses To Holmes, Tyson, Liston. Really?
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Originally posted by Grinderman View PostYou want the facts about Liston and the mob, read The Devil and Sonny Liston, written by a guy who loves Liston, I might add.
As years passed, the more I learned of boxing, and the more fighters I saw fight, the more I knew that there was no other fighter like Sonny Liston. There never had been, and there never would be. And the more I lived and learned of other things, the more I began to feel that the secret history of Sonny Liston would reveal one of the greatest Mob tales ever told, a tale that ended in a murder mystery whose solution seemed to be lost forever, as gone as that night when Sonny's dead man's eyes went dead for good. I did not know that it would also reveal the forces of another, unexplored darkness, an underworld unto itself. And I did not know, above all, that it would reveal a soul that, even amid the darkness in which it dwelt, eluded all concepts of good and evil, of right and wrong, of light and dark themselves.
(C) 2000 Nick Tosches All rights reserved. ISBN: 0-316-89775-2
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Originally posted by IronDanHamza View PostIf you think Mike Tyson would beat Wlad easily then why do you find it do hard to see Sonny Liston beating him?
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Tyson? Please! He had major problems with Tucker, the tallest man he ever fought. And Wlad is even taller than TNT. Plus he's also a better boxer. Holmes? Pha! No way, Holmes was a JABBER and Wlad's jab is universally recognized, plus his size would neutralize Holmes jab. Holmes had no power to stop Wlad, unless he happened to trap him in a corner and landed 20 punches like he did on Marvis Frazier. But I don't see that happening. Liston as I said previously COULD beat Wlad and I give him the best odds out of all other hw's, except for Louis maybe. But if Wlad connected with a big punch, he'd be in big trouble.
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Originally posted by Grinderman View PostSure they didn't -- the mob are real nice guys.
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Originally posted by Mannie Phresh View Postit would be a battle of jabs with vlad and liston mike dips low and explodes on the inside while bobing and weavin. tyson fights differently than liston. i think vlad out jabs liston and starts landing rights and kos him. again weather or not ali ko'ing him was legit it left an impact of his chin in my mind.
But Liston is as much as capable of getting to Wlad as Tyson is. If not more.
So I don't understand how you think Tyson would kill him but at the same time find the idea of Liston beating him to be far fetched.
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Originally posted by Pastrano View PostTyson? Please! He had major problems with Tucker, the tallest man he ever fought. And Wlad is even taller than TNT. Plus he's also a better boxer. Holmes? Pha! No way, Holmes was a JABBER and Wlad's jab is universally recognized, plus his size would neutralize Holmes jab. Holmes had no power to stop Wlad, unless he happened to trap him in a corner and landed 20 punches like he did on Marvis Frazier. But I don't see that happening. Liston as I said previously COULD beat Wlad and I give him the best odds out of all other hw's, except for Louis maybe. But if Wlad connected with a big punch, he'd be in big trouble.
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