Bottom 10 Heavyweight Champ Chins

[Dempsey-Louis]

What about the logic that being staggered and knockdown is evidence of a strong chin?

How can we possibly know if any particular punch would not have put every other fighter on the planet to sleep but all it did to our guy was stagger him?

Unless you took the punch you can't know how hard it landed, and if you don't know how hard it landed you really can't evaluate the fighter's chin.

This is all just speculation, NOBODY HAS EVIDENCE!

[Sugarj]

What about the logic that being staggered and knockdown is evidence of a strong chin?

How can we possibly know if any particular punch would not have put every other fighter on the planet to sleep but all it did to our guy was stagger him?

Unless you took the punch you can't know how hard it landed, and if you don't know how hard it landed you really can't evaluate the fighter's chin.

This is all just speculation, NOBODY HAS EVIDENCE!

Fair comment! Between Jones Turning pro and getting knocked out by Tarver 15 or so years later, I suppose there isn't a great deal of video evidence to suggest that he had a terrible or incredible chin.

Those who say that his chin was always suspect will point to his elusive/defensive skills and claim he avoided decent punches for all those years!

Those who think his chin was pretty good will point to his lack of being staggered and only once knocked down prior to Tarver 2.

[Anthony342]

This one is pretty easy. Plus we get to hear from many halfwits.

1 Roy Jones Jr.
2 Patterson
3 Vlad Klit
4 Michael Moorer
5 Johansson
6 John Tate
7 David Haye
8 Joe Louis
9 Lennox Lewis
10 Charles Martin

Maybe not so easy. Who knows their scrub chins well enough to do a perfect list?

Bottom 10, but at least not bad enough to be a Sloppy Party Bottom 10.

[The Old LefHook]

Not a bit of it

What about the logic that being staggered and knockdown is evidence of a strong chin?

How can we possibly know if any particular punch would not have put every other fighter on the planet to sleep but all it did to our guy was stagger him?

Unless you took the punch you can't know how hard it landed, and if you don't know how hard it landed you really can't evaluate the fighter's chin.

This is all just speculation, NOBODY HAS EVIDENCE!

Not a bit of it, grasshopper, or maybe just a bit, then, but only that. The ways are many fold to read the impact of a punch from afar, lad, for the perspicacious observer. I now share with you, Grasshopper, from

Master's Book Of Tells.

Tell #1: Flying sheets of sweat indicate a solid hit every time.

Tell# 2: Bodies physically thrown or lifted by a punch indicate a solid hit.

Tell #3: Screams from the opponent (a la Schmeling & Mosley) indicate a solid hit.

Tell #4: A grotesquely distorted face during slow motion replay (a la Walcott from Susie-Q) or in a photo, indicate a solid hit.

Tell #5: Assiduous application of basic engineering reasoning: such as, forward motion met straight on and halted by a punch, indicates a solid hit.

And from the section on False Tells...

False Tell #1: Flying mouthpieces may be more the result of an open kisser than a hard punch.

False Tell #2: The sound of a punch can be misleading. One of the louder sounds in a boxing ring is the sound of rivals' gloves slapping together.

False Tell #3: Sudden Cuts can be from a solid punch, a glancing blow that tears, a lace, and several other sources.

False Tell #4: Ooohs and Ahhhhs of the crowd.

Yes, of the Nine Holy Tells, four are false.

Study, Grasshopper. You must know your Nine Holy Tells backwards and forwards ere you can be admitted to higher orders.

[DreamFighter]

really should include the genuine HWs if you are listing HW chins, putting in one off HWs from the MW division feels wrong.

[The Old LefHook]

really should include the genuine HWs if you are listing HW chins, putting in one off HWs from the MW division feels wrong.

They are included, what are you talking about?


All champions fought for the title. Which man who fought for the heavyweight title was KO'd more times than any other?


Which man who held the heavyweight championship was KO'd more than any other?

[Dempsey-Louis]

Not a bit of it, grasshopper, or maybe just a bit, then, but only that. The ways are many fold to read the impact of a punch from afar, lad, for the perspicacious observer. I now share with you, Grasshopper, from

Master's Book Of Tells.

Tell #1: Flying sheets of sweat indicate a solid hit every time.

Tell# 2: Bodies physically thrown or lifted by a punch indicate a solid hit.

Tell #3: Screams from the opponent (a la Schmeling & Mosley) indicate a solid hit.

Tell #4: A grotesquely distorted face during slow motion replay (a la Walcott from Susie-Q) or in a photo, indicate a solid hit.

Tell #5: Assiduous application of basic engineering reasoning: such as, forward motion met straight on and halted by a punch, indicates a solid hit.

And from the section on False Tells...

False Tell #1: Flying mouthpieces may be more the result of an open kisser than a hard punch.

False Tell #2: The sound of a punch can be misleading. One of the louder sounds in a boxing ring is the sound of rivals' gloves slapping together.

False Tell #3: Sudden Cuts can be from a solid punch, a glancing blow that tears, a lace, and several other sources.

False Tell #4: Ooohs and Ahhhhs of the crowd.

Yes, of the Nine Holy Tells, four are false.

Study, Grasshopper. You must know your Nine Holy Tells backwards and forwards ere you can be admitted to higher orders.

Tell #1: Flying sheets of sweat indicate a solid hit every time.

Disagree - roll with a punch and there will be spray; Quarry's people sponged his head before the start of each round (Ellis) and the TV people got so childlike excited with the image they were getting (spray off Quarry's head) they replayed it to death;it was quite misleading.

Tell# 2: Bodies physically thrown or lifted by a punch indicate a solid hit.

Agreed - e.g. Frazier looked ugly.

Tell #3: Screams from the opponent (a la Schmeling & Mosley) indicate a solid hit.

An oddity, an exception likely related to Schmeling slipping a disc - rare to never occurrence. Tyson claimed Biggs was whining when he hit him, but Tyson was full of hubris and basically a liar.

Tell #4: A grotesquely distorted face during slow motion replay (a la Walcott from Susie-Q) or in a photo, indicate a solid hit.

Maybe, can also occur if fighter tries to roll a punch, but if it catches a fighter straight on then, maybe a tell.

Tell #5: Assiduous application of basic engineering reasoning: such as, forward motion met straight on and halted by a punch, indicates a solid hit.

See, this is a nonsense answer, what have you got here a lazier beam set up to take readings at ringside? You ain't got any basic engineering going on unless you got data/measurements; this is just dick ing around with words, a nonsense answer.

(speaking of innovations to come, why hasn't that happened yet, velocity of a punch would tell us much. They can do it in baseball.)

And from the section on False Tells...

False Tell #1: Flying mouthpieces may be more the result of an open kisser than a hard punch.

Agreed, it can be a tell, but it can also deceive.

False Tell #2: The sound of a punch can be misleading. One of the louder sounds in a boxing ring is the sound of rivals' gloves slapping together.

Agreed, Chavez-Taylor - Taylor's loud slapping punches were doing no damage, Chavez thuds were.

False Tell #3: Sudden Cuts can be from a solid punch, a glancing blow that tears, a lace, and several other sources.

Cuts are not relevant to "chin"

False Tell #4: Ooohs and Ahhhhs of the crowd.

Ever sit ringside?

[The Old LefHook]

Tell #1: Flying sheets of sweat indicate a solid hit every time.

Disagree - roll with a punch and there will be spray; Quarry's people sponged his head before the start of each round (Ellis) and the TV people got so childlike excited with the image they were getting (spray off Quarry's head) they replayed it to death;it was quite misleading.

Tell# 2: Bodies physically thrown or lifted by a punch indicate a solid hit.

Agreed - e.g. Frazier looked ugly.

Tell #3: Screams from the opponent (a la Schmeling & Mosley) indicate a solid hit.

An oddity, an exception likely related to Schmeling slipping a disc - rare to never occurrence. Tyson claimed Biggs was whining when he hit him, but Tyson was full of hubris and basically a liar.

Tell #4: A grotesquely distorted face during slow motion replay (a la Walcott from Susie-Q) or in a photo, indicate a solid hit.

Maybe, can also occur if fighter tries to roll a punch, but if it catches a fighter straight on then, maybe a tell.

Tell #5: Assiduous application of basic engineering reasoning: such as, forward motion met straight on and halted by a punch, indicates a solid hit.

See, this is a nonsense answer, what have you got here a lazier beam set up to take readings at ringside? You ain't got any basic engineering going on unless you got data/measurements; this is just dick ing around with words, a nonsense answer.

(speaking of innovations to come, why hasn't that happened yet, velocity of a punch would tell us much. They can do it in baseball.)

And from the section on False Tells...

False Tell #1: Flying mouthpieces may be more the result of an open kisser than a hard punch.

Agreed, it can be a tell, but it can also deceive.

False Tell #2: The sound of a punch can be misleading. One of the louder sounds in a boxing ring is the sound of rivals' gloves slapping together.

Agreed, Chavez-Taylor - Taylor's loud slapping punches were doing no damage, Chavez thuds were.

False Tell #3: Sudden Cuts can be from a solid punch, a glancing blow that tears, a lace, and several other sources.

Cuts are not relevant to "chin"

False Tell #4: Ooohs and Ahhhhs of the crowd.

Ever sit ringside?

Your boys are not being knocked out, they are being put out by self-inflicted whiplash. Even De la Hoya did not turn his head that quickly with a punch.

[Archie_Leach]

Fair comment! Between Jones Turning pro and getting knocked out by Tarver 15 or so years later, I suppose there isn't a great deal of video evidence to suggest that he had a terrible or incredible chin.

Here you go.

Roid getting heavily dropped in his prime
by a feather fisted weak bum.

[Sugarj]

Here you go.

Roid getting heavily dropped in his prime
by a feather fisted weak bum.

Everyone and their dog knows this was the one time Roy got knocked down in his prime. It looked like a solid enough punch. But give Del Valle some credit. Going the distance with prime Jones was a good result at that time; not something a 'weak bum' could usually pull off....

It's not like Roy got up on shaky legs or was staggering around disorientated afterwards. He looked embarrassed more than anything.

After Tarver 2 he looked far more vulnerable. The shot that Danny Green knocked Jones down with looked far weaker to my eyes (granted I do recall there was some controversy concerning Green's hand wraps That night though).