Measuring Manny: Has he improved since 2008?

[madsweeney]

I think more than anything, he's calmed down and is more patient. But his right hand and really overall selection of punches has improved more than him adapting a whole new style.

He doesn't bull-rush as much anymore. You don't see him over-exerting that left anymore, he does alot more 1-2's than 3-4's. Hard to tell because he is fighting different styles but that dicipline he needed when going against heavy hitters will help against counter-punchers like JMM

[brick wall]

if he hasn't shown any improvements how come the mayweathers pissed on their pants and demanded additional unprecedented drug testing

[ghost deini]

ok sorry! but he simply made a video asking has manny gotten better, which he clearly said yes but not much, its just looked that way because his opp now have been flat footed and hve no head movement,

imagine if all NSB reply's were conducted in this manner

[Carpe Diem]

Great Documentary.

[Las Vegas,]

no. nope. nada.

[al-Xander]

if he hasn't shown any improvements how come the mayweathers pissed on their pants and demanded additional unprecedented drug testing

That's what I've been saying with these stupid idiots.
They want it both ways when both ways are completely
irreconcilable. You either drop this drug testing **** and
feel it's unnecessary and resume your denigration of Pac's
fights.

OR agree that Pac's fights have been unbelieavably impressive
AND resume your accusations of PED use.

I still wonder how these stupid idiots go through life with
such ****ed up logic that is so obvious to a 10 year old?

[da chosen 1]

imagine if all NSB reply's were conducted in this manner

then this would be the best forum like it use to be, =D

[fabie]

The video shows exemplary breakdown but he shows that he is too-Marquez centric. In the fight he showed as a reference point, Pacquiao was only one-dimensional because:

• Pacquiao was almost always moving in a linear attack with a 1-2 or a 1-1-2 combo.

In that fight, Marquez would show his mastery of his range by backpedaling and countering:

a. Pacquiao's Right Jab with an outside left parry and
b. Paqcuiao's Left straight crosses with his own Right Crosses/Hooks.

But what Pacquiao have learned extensively after this fight is that Pacquiao was obviously coached to move on the OUTSIDE 45 degrees of any LEFT LEAD FIGHTER (orthodox) and counter with his "new" patented LEFT CROSS as a "jab":

• See Pacquiao throw this all night against DLH

Pacquiao also gained usage of the RIGHT LEAD HOOK:

• See Hatton, Cotto, DLH, Clottey and Margarito

But the Saien video shows that Marquez is smart and the usage of his space (by backpedaling) against Pacquiao's linear blitz. Pacquiao went up and heavier against "bullrushers" such as Hatton and Margarito.

They are right about that. But Saien concentrated too much on the 2nd fight with Marquez which obviously shows an "inferior" Pacquiao with his LINEAR KAMIKAZE ATTACK that Marquez can readily counter.

To be fair, Pacquiao did improve his:

• Lateral movements outside of opponents' left lead
• Lateral movements inside of opponents' left lead
• Lead Right Hook
• Lead Left Cross

But not against a Marquez type who "waits" to counter while backpedaling.

Did Pacquiao improve, of course he did, but not against a counter-puncher a la' Marquez with a right lead and knows how to counter.

Pacquiao improved much on his footworks against BULLRUSHERS and inevitably going nowhere but outside (the orthodox's left jab) and occasionally inside the left jab to cut across their right crosses.

That's why we need to see the 3rd fight against Marquez. To say that Pacquiao didn't improve is a farce. Though unproven against counter-punchers.

Thus also, we need to see Mayweather fight Pacquiao.

[S IP U IR S xII]

Sorry, i only agree with a small part of this video. He keeps repeating the samething over and over. No head movement and counter. Besides Floyd and JMM, who else even slightly resembles the ability to time and counter (Plese dont say Sergio.....too much size) effectly and consistent? To say that DLH was a bum is beyond crazy. Against Pac, yes he looked useless, and like a club fighter, and no one should make excuses that DLH was drained and a dead man walking. He agreed to the fight PERIOD.

Has Manny improved since 2008? Yes by leaps and bounds. So instead of just dogging all of his fights (and some are justified), include the fact that Pac has improved with both hands, and timing since 2008. Cotto is a top fighter, and being out smarted and worked by the best fighter in the world right now......comon now...really?

Bottom line is that JMM would not have the same success as he did in 2008. Pac is smarter, more patient, and has improved his ability to strafe.

Like the old saying goes......when your on top, people will always find ways to discredit you, and saying you are less than what you are. Guys like Floyd, Lebron, Kobe have been dealing with this forever. Just the way it is.

[brick wall]

That's what I've been saying with these stupid idiots.
They want it both ways when both ways are completely
irreconcilable. You either drop this drug testing **** and
feel it's unnecessary and resume your denigration of Pac's
fights.

OR agree that Pac's fights have been unbelieavably impressive
AND resume your accusations of PED use.

I still wonder how these stupid idiots go through life with
such ****ed up logic that is so obvious to a 10 year old?

well these *****s want everything settled with their stupid technical fantasies. they go like this...

"pac's opponents at higher weights were either shot, washed up, bum, or out of their prime...no biggie, he's not really that good. floyd will beat him 10 out of 10...they don't even need to fight. floyd beat him period."

on one side they're like...

"pac kos bigger opponents it's unbelievable. he can only do that with the help of peds he can't be that good. good thing floyd demanded ost. see pac refused blood testing...he's a cheater".