Cotto went on to do what he did best. Losing on his knees

[Elroy The Great]

That’s not how it works, and if you don’t understand that, you’ll never understand why fights are won and lost. It’s one of the reasons why Compubox is misleading. A fighter can land more punches and still lose a fight because fights are scored on a round-by-round basis.

i guess ill say it again.....

youd be hard pressed to find a loser who lands more than the winner....unless there was controversy. 9/10, the winner lands more

theres a clear reason for it.

ill watch and get back to you.

[CubanGuyNYC]

i guess ill say it again.....

youd be hard pressed to find a loser who lands more than the winner....unless there was controversy. 9/10, the winner lands more

theres a clear reason for it.

ill watch and get back to you.

Yes, usually the winner has a higher tally, but that’s not how boxing matches are scored. If they were, they’d do away with judges and just use Compubox.

[Elroy The Great]

Yes, usually the winner has a higher tally, but that’s not how boxing matches are scored. If they were, they’d do away with judges and just use Compubox.

its not a coincidence is my point.

and maybe those punch counters should be the ones deciding, since so many judges have issues.

[CubanGuyNYC]

its not a coincidence is my point.

and maybe those punch counters should be the ones deciding, since so many judges have issues.

I don’t see a movement to have the old system replaced by a new Compubox system based on total punches landed. Lol

There are a couple of problems with your idea. A fighter can have a couple of high-punch rounds and outscore his opponent who barely outpunches him in a greater number of rounds. That’s not fair. Also, punch stats do not take punch effectiveness into account. This is a very big issue. Not to mention, there are other factors in boxing scoring, such as ring generalship and defense to be taken into account.

[Elroy The Great]

I don’t see a movement to have the old system replaced by a new Compubox system based on total punches landed. Lol

There are a couple of problems with your idea. A fighter can have a couple of high-punch rounds and outscore his opponent who barely outpunches him in a greater number of rounds. That’s not fair. Also, punch stats do not take punch effectiveness into account. This is a very big issue. Not to mention, there are other factors in boxing scoring, such as ring generalship and defense to be taken into account.

nah, robberies are good for the sport. opens up dialog about how to make it better

since we both agree the winner usually lands more, we both must acknowledge those rare fights. were one guy landed 100 punches to none within 4 rds and failed to land anymore. all the while his opponent came on like a beast down the stretch........

[Earl-Hickey]

didnt see the fight but if these numbers are true............

Punch Stats
PUNCHES COTTO ALI
Landed 163 139
Thrown 536 647
Percent 30% 21 %

how is it possible cotto lost when there werent any kd's

(cotto concedes defeat and didnt mention robbery)

Because cottos ass was getting repeatedly lit up, rocked, put on queer street and smashed into the ropes and his offence did nothing to Ali?

[Elroy The Great]

Because cottos ass was getting repeatedly lit up, rocked, put on queer street and smashed into the ropes and his offence did nothing to Ali?

@ a 21% rate (possibly the lowest of any winner)

cotto for surviving

[Elroy The Great]

nope...horn had an even lower %....15

[CubanGuyNYC]

nah, robberies are good for the sport. opens up dialog about how to make it better

since we both agree the winner usually lands more, we both must acknowledge those rare fights. were one guy landed 100 punches to none within 4 rds and failed to land anymore. all the while his opponent came on like a beast down the stretch........

It’s never that lopsided, but it can easily happen over the course of twelve rounds. One guy lands an average of an extra five punches over four rounds, while the other lands an average of an extra two for eight rounds. The final tally favors the first guy, but the other guy should, by all rights, win the fight. And, again, we’re not even taking punch effectiveness, a major factor, into consideration.

[Elroy The Great]

It’s never that lopsided, but it can easily happen over the course of twelve rounds. One guy lands an average of an extra five punches over four rounds, while the other lands an average of an extra two for eight rounds. The final tally favors the first guy, but the other guy should, by all rights, win the fight. And, again, we’re not even taking punch effectiveness, a major factor, into consideration.

we can build and design a fight anyway we want to serve our purpose.

as for scoring d and ring gen.....it still boils down to punches LANDED. if they dont land, it should reflect in the scoring. hence, crediting the d.

minus any kd's or uncontested flurries, a power punch is just a punch.

maybe ali did deserve the win by landing 21 %. i have yet to see it and +24 isnt that much.