Would Mayweather Still Be Considered Great If He Had a Loss?

[djtmal]

[QUOTE=travestyny;18166079]Nah, what you mean is it's 2017 and you're still going around telling lies because you are a pvssy who can't get over the fact that a man worked hard and beat your favorite boxer. It's ****ing ridiculous how you attempt to turn this around when it's clearly based on the fact that the dude made you into a butthurt hater.

Floyd beat Hagler I didn't know that. That is my favorite boxer.

So don't try to make this about everyone. I'm not here to convince everyone of anything. I'm just here to expose that you're a piece of shlt liar.

Take a number and get in line. I can only address but so many disgruntled Floyd Boys a day.

And that's why I'm here to call you on your bltcha$s-ness, and not only that, I'm willing to step up and go fact for fact with you about the bullshlt you speak.

Damn, you willing to go through all of that just to save Floyd?

So again, do you want to discuss whom he ducked, beginning with Pacquiao? Matter of fact, we can start with whomever you'd like. Who is it that you think he ducked by retiring? Gonna take a stand behind your word, or are you just going to tuck your tail and shuffle backwards?

Let's hear your excuses about that tucked tail now, lil pup.

You funny.

I discuss this stuff ad nauseum with you Floyd Boys aka Captain Save-A-Floyd's on a daily basis.
I'm just going to call it what it is:

He backed out of a Winky Wright fight - duck

He backed out of a Margarito fight for 8 million to fight Carlos Baldimir...Margarito even got in his grill and called him out - duck

his "retirement" immediately after Hatton gave him a built in excuse to duck the winner of Cotto/Shane, which the winner Cotto stated he was ready for Floyd and anybody else - You can make a case for Paul Williams being a beltholder as well during this "retirement" period...

backed out of a pac fight due to fear of pac juicing, but never could prove anything - duck

bogus retired again now that you have the current crop of ww's rising like thurman, who was repeatedly calling him out for years while simultaneously, mandatory to his wbc belt for years (definitely a duck), spence, crawford, garcia, only to come out of another bogus retirement to fight mma star conor mcgregor, who never boxed professionally in his life....

have fun....

[JK1700]

Almost all the other greats have losses so it’s really not a big deal. It’s a lot more impressive that he managed to dominate everyone he fought in almost 30 title fights. That’s something that will probably never be equalled.

[GhostofDempsey]

[QUOTE=djtmal;18166324]

Nah, what you mean is it's 2017 and you're still going around telling lies because you are a pvssy who can't get over the fact that a man worked hard and beat your favorite boxer. It's ****ing ridiculous how you attempt to turn this around when it's clearly based on the fact that the dude made you into a butthurt hater.

Floyd beat Hagler I didn't know that. That is my favorite boxer.

So don't try to make this about everyone. I'm not here to convince everyone of anything. I'm just here to expose that you're a piece of shlt liar.

Take a number and get in line. I can only address but so many disgruntled Floyd Boys a day.

And that's why I'm here to call you on your bltcha$s-ness, and not only that, I'm willing to step up and go fact for fact with you about the bullshlt you speak.

Damn, you willing to go through all of that just to save Floyd?

So again, do you want to discuss whom he ducked, beginning with Pacquiao? Matter of fact, we can start with whomever you'd like. Who is it that you think he ducked by retiring? Gonna take a stand behind your word, or are you just going to tuck your tail and shuffle backwards?

Let's hear your excuses about that tucked tail now, lil pup.

You funny.

I discuss this stuff ad nauseum with you Floyd Boys aka Captain Save-A-Floyd's on a daily basis.
I'm just going to call it what it is:

He backed out of a Winky Wright fight - duck

He backed out of a Margarito fight for 8 million to fight Carlos Baldimir...Margarito even got in his grill and called him out - duck

his "retirement" immediately after Hatton gave him a built in excuse to duck the winner of Cotto/Shane, which the winner Cotto stated he was ready for Floyd and anybody else - You can make a case for Paul Williams being a beltholder as well during this "retirement" period...

backed out of a pac fight due to fear of pac juicing, but never could prove anything - duck

bogus retired again now that you have the current crop of ww's rising like thurman, who was repeatedly calling him out for years while simultaneously, mandatory to his wbc belt for years (definitely a duck), spence, crawford, garcia, only to come out of another bogus retirement to fight mma star conor mcgregor, who never boxed professionally in his life....

have fun....

You can talk logic and truth to these clowns all day long but they will act like they are on the Mayweather payroll the way they defend him to the death.

Fact is, Floyd's entire legacy is hinged upon that sacred "0". Without it, he fades into obscurity. Just another overhyped money machine who ducked the best in their prime and fought a long list of hype jobs and B-rate opposition.

[djtmal]

[QUOTE=GhostofDempsey;18166334]

You can talk logic and truth to these clowns all day long but they will act like they are on the Mayweather payroll the way they defend him to the death.

Fact is, Floyd's entire legacy is hinged upon that sacred "0". Without it, he fades into obscurity. Just another overhyped money machine who ducked the best in their prime and fought a long list of hype jobs and B-rate opposition.

i agree......

sometimes i wonder if some of these guys actually read back their "facts" to themselves...

[djtmal]

Right but I responded to a specific point. Never mentioned Floyd. The fact it's a Floyd thread is irrelevant.

And I'm not "getting off" I'm merely stating it as that's where the conversation went to, Hagler not beating any prime HOFers.

The fact that its a Floyd thread is what makes it relevant.

You didn't respond to a specific point. You was trying to use Hagler as a reference because you know Floyd has no prime atg wins on his resume and gets big time flack for it.

Why else would you go to such length to point out that Duran and Hearns werent prime?

[IronDanHamza]

The fact that its a Floyd thread is what makes it relevant.

You didn't respond to a specific point. You was trying to use Hagler as a reference because you know Floyd has no prime atg wins on his resume and gets big time flack for it.

Why else would you go to such length to point out that Duran and Hearns werent prime?

I literally did respond to a specific point. As in, literally that is exactly what I did. In regards to Leonard and Hagler.

In regards to Hagler having no wins over any prime HOFers, that was in response to you saying he fought ATG's. I was merely stating none were prime.

Like I've said multiple times, I haven't mentioned Floyd in any of my posts once. The fact the OP is about Floyd is irrelevant because I was responding to a specific post.

[djtmal]

I literally did respond to a specific point. As in, literally that is exactly what I did. In regards to Leonard and Hagler.

In regards to Hagler having no wins over any prime HOFers, that was in response to you saying he fought ATG's. I was merely stating none were prime.

Like I've said multiple times, I haven't mentioned Floyd in any of my posts once. The fact the OP is about Floyd is irrelevant because I was responding to a specific post.

I'm responding to a specific point you made is that ok.

You claim Hagler was faded when he fought Sugar, I disagreed.

[Bjl12]

You funny.

He backed out of a Winky Wright fight - duck

Don't personally know anything about this but WW was a JMW/MW so there must've been a small window this fight could've actually taken place. Speculation by me bc I don't know.

He backed out of a Margarito fight for 8 million to fight Carlos Baldimir...Margarito even got in his grill and called him out - duck

I mean he simply chose Baldomir over Margs. The pay was the same for both fights and it was Floyd's first fight AFTER buying out of Top Rank...so he simply didn't fight Margs because he was Top Rank and Baldomir wasn't.

Since his first major headline fight against Carlos Baldomir in 2006, which earned Mayweather $8 million, every fight that followed amassed him at least $20 million.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.bus...op-rank-2015-4

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.for...ted-mogul/amp/

his "retirement" immediately after Hatton gave him a built in excuse to duck the winner of Cotto/Shane, which the winner Cotto stated he was ready for Floyd and anybody else - You can make a case for Paul Williams being a beltholder as well during this "retirement" period...

Everyone would've been down for that, however, Floyd wanted Cotto after Brussels and before Gatti - hell I believe Cotto sat RINGSIDE with Arum at the Gatti fight. Afterward Arum said Cotto wasn't ready.

Mayweather said he believes that Bruseles was the stalking horse for a potential Cotto fight – a left-hook specialist, and also trained by Cotto's uncle and then-trainer, Evangelista Cotto – and when the result was a lopsided eighth-round stoppage, during which Mayweather twice engaged HBO's ringside announcers with quick commentary on upcoming NFL playoff games while engaging in a live prizefight, Top Rank quietly ditched the plan.

http://www.mlive.com/mayweather/2012...l_cotto_1.html

backed out of a pac fight due to fear of pac juicing, but never could prove anything - duck

Well Pac backed out of the fight to be fair. Pac required $10 million penalty per pound overweight and a 50/50 purse split which is something Floyd has never done, but agreed to for the fight to happen. Floyd's lone requirement was OSDT which the Pac camp FLIPPED at.

Manny is afraid of needles (has tattoos)
Giving blood weakens Manny (zero SCIENCE supporting this since BOTH fighters would be giving blood)
Manny needs a "cut-off" date???? That's no suspicious at all lmfao

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndica...-saga.amp.html

Then ofc in 2012 after th Ortiz fight Floyd went after Manny aggressively and Manny needed an outdoor stadium in order to fight and his CUT wouldn't heal in time for a May showdown. Floyd of course went on to fight Cotto

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...-by-both-sides

have fun....
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[travestyny]

Floyd beat Hagler I didn't know that. That is my favorite boxer.

Ok. Then let me fix that. You're a butthurt f@g because he beat one of your favorite contemporary fighters. Does that work for you now?

Take a number and get in line. I can only address but so many disgruntled Floyd Boys a day.

Why would a Floyd fan be disgruntled. That's for those of you who are upset about him beating one of your favorite fighters. At least you have the decency to bring up past era greats to hide behind whom he couldn't possibly fight instead of the one he beat that made you cry all over threads about him. No one is fooled.

Damn, you willing to go through all of that just to save Floyd?

Go through all of what? You're gonna make this easy.

You funny.

I discuss this stuff ad nauseum with you Floyd Boys aka Captain Save-A-Floyd's on a daily basis.
I'm just going to call it what it is:

He backed out of a Winky Wright fight - duck

LMAO. This is the first one you bring up? Winky Wright. **** out of here.

So the first one that comes to your mind is a 154lb fighter, when Mayweahther has never weighed more than, what....151? And You expected Mayweather to give him the advantage at weight and make it 50/50 purse spit?

You're more butthurt than I thought

By your definition, Manny Pacquiao ducked Sergio Martinez? Right? He said he would fight him. Said the weight he would fight him at, Sergio agreed. Sergio said he'd take less money. Duck! Right???

He backed out of a Margarito fight for 8 million to fight Carlos Baldimir...Margarito even got in his grill and called him out - duck

More bullshlt.

Arum said while Mayweather would have taken the $8 million to fight Margarito, he asked for a $10 million guarantee to fight opponents such as Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton, when Arum was only willing to guarantee $7 million.
Arum said Mayweather also asked for $20 million to fight De La Hoya, a fight Arum said he wasn't interested in participating in.
"That's not in the cards," Arum said. "He wants $20 million for the De La Hoya fight? It's not there. Sometimes, my man, you gotta know when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em. We'll talk about things down the road."

http://www.espn.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=2420382

Arum stated that Floyd would fight Margarito but wanted guarantees connected to renewing that contract. 10million for Cotto and Hatton, but Arum only offered 7million. Floyd also wanted 20 million for De La Hoya, and Arum repeatedly told him that the money not only wasn't there, but he had no interest in making that fight. So Floyd went off and did his own thing. Floyd Mayweather bought out his contract instead of fighting Margarito and being denied having the De La Hoya fight,

The split frees Mayweather to make a potential deal with De La Hoya without Arum as part of the promotion. His involvement would have made making a deal almost impossible:
http://www.espn.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=2420382

...and being stuck with lower guarantees because he would make more money being on his own. The proof:

vs. Hatton -- Floyd's purse was 11 million
vs. Cotto (albeit later) -- Floyd's purse was 32Million
vs. De La Hoya -- Floyd's purse was 25million

So seems he got 28 million more than what he was begging Arum for. By the way, notice Cotto's name up there?

his "retirement" immediately after Hatton gave him a built in excuse to duck the winner of Cotto/Shane, which the winner Cotto stated he was ready for Floyd and anybody else -

More bullshlt. You making this real easy, son.

Maybe you have no idea about when Mayweather actually retired, so you're pulling shlt out of your ass. Let me help you out little guy:

Mayweather Retired?

Article dated Jan. 17th, 2008
The richest fight in boxing history is on the verge of getting a sequel.
Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Oscar De La Hoya, who shattered box office records when they met last spring, are close to finishing a deal for a rematch, Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer told ESPN.com Wednesday.
"We are still discussing things but we have almost finalized it," said Schaefer, who heads De La Hoya's promotional company. "I think an announcement will be forthcoming."

Schaefer said the fight would be Sept. 13 or Sept. 20 on HBO pay-per-view.
http://www.espn.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3200384

About Cotto: Cotto had accepted 2 fights at least by Jan. 18th, 2008. Here is the proof.

Article Dated Jan. 18, 2008

BoxingScene.com, speaking with Bob Arum of Top Rank, was informed that WBA welterweight champion Miguel Cotto will defend his title against Contender star Alfonso Gomez on April 12 at the Boardwalk Hall in Atlantic City, New Jersey. The venue has already set aside the date for Cotto-Gomez.

The welterweight battle between former champions Antonio Margarito*and Zab Judah, slated for April 26, may end up going forward on May 3, with Showtime televising the fight. Provided both Cotto and Margarito win,*Top Rank would*match them on*pay-per-view in July.
http://www.boxingscene.com/cotto-vs-...sible-3--12173

Actually, Margarito wound up fighting Cintron on the same card as Cotto vs. Gomez.

Seems that Mayweather was getting close to a rematch with De La Hoya for September, and Cotto had already accepted 2 fights. So yea. What about that ducking, son? You're making a damn fool of yourself.

You can make a case for Paul Williams being a beltholder as well during this "retirement" period...

Wrong!
2007: Floyd beats De La Hoya

2 Months later: PWill beats Margarito (That's when he first becomes noteworthy)

Floyd's next fight: Ricky Hatton

2 months later: PWill's next fight? Loss to Carlos Quintana

So when the **** was this fight to be made, huh? Or you can try to tell me he should have fought PWill instead of R.Hatton so I can laugh at you. It's clear which one was going to bring more money, being that Hatton has an entire country behind him and thus makes it an international event, plus there is a racial element which gets some people riled up. What else you got?

backed out of a pac fight due to fear of pac juicing, but never could prove anything - duck

Backed out? Last I checked, he sighed a contract for a 50/50 split and PACQUIAO backed out of a 50/50 split with Mayweahter because he needed 24 days in between PED testing and the fight, as opposed to 14 days. Do I need to send you links about this, or are you aware. You also might want to take Freddy Roaches' opinion of this, but you already know this, don't you? Yea you do. That's why you bring this one up so late and even said before when I mentioned him specifically that I'd have to discuss other boxers. you knew this one was complete BS, didn't you?

bogus retired again now that you have the current crop of ww's rising like thurman, who was repeatedly calling him out for years while simultaneously, mandatory to his wbc belt for years (definitely a duck), spence, crawford, garcia, only to come out of another bogus retirement to fight mma star conor mcgregor, who never boxed professionally in his life....

have fun....

LMAOOOOOO. You're saying he ducked Thurman, Spence, Crawford, and Garcia? LMAOOOOO. You really are butthurt, aren't you?

I'm assuming he should have fought Spence in 2015 when Spence was fighting the likes of Van Herdeen.

Keith Thurman when he was fighting the likes of Luis Collazo???

Crawford? Garcia? Give me a break. I don't even have to say anything about them.

As for McGregor, he would be stupid not to take that fight. When you name me one boxer who wouldn't take that fight for that amount of money, I'll say you have a point. Deal?


So yea, what were you saying? You need me to go over any of these in more detail, little guy?

FACTS: DO YOU USE THEM? MY POST HAD PLENTY. WHERE ARE YOURS?

[IronDanHamza]

I'm responding to a specific point you made is that ok.

You claim Hagler was faded when he fought Sugar, I disagreed.

Ok fantastic.

He was faded or atleast Leonard waited for him to show weaknesses before he chose to fight him.