Comments Thread For: Wilder Manager Erupts at Hearn, Joshua Over "Scam" Job

[New England]

Conjecture.




So you agree with me. Wilders offer was un-negotiable. Doesn't sound like he wanted the fight that bad if the financials aren't allowed to be discussed.




A nonsense reason. AJ said it's up to him if he wants him in the ring or not. This is not WWE. You don't go around on other people's shows demanding to get in the ring when you haven't signed a contract. That's disrespect.




The biggest fight of his life and the biggest money of his life is on a contract. And he wants to walk away? Fine. But no more mentioning the unified champion.




Did he sign for the flat fee? No. That means he hasn't agreed anything.

you guys are really missing hte boat with this one. eddie didn't try and negotiate anything, he turned the offer down. you don't fight over glove make or ring size before you agree to the important stuff; how much money and when. really, if you don't get by the dollar amount, as in any real negotiation, things do not progress.


do not act like eddie was willing to take the fight in the US, in 2018, and for more money. he wants you to think that he was trying to make the fight this year, you have to understand that he was not. FFS it is not hard to see, teh guy has done everything under the sun to keep this fight from happening. first he hid joshua behind dillian white. then he asked for 50 million. then he got it. then he asked for 50 million pounds . then he said," less money is fine, fight has to be in the UK." wilder agrees to a flat fee that is way out of line for what the challenger in the biggest fight in boxing. then he won't fight this year and hides behind alexander f#cking povetkin?

FFS dude what makes it so hard to see? hearn does not want this fight next. if he had it his way he'd take the fight in 2020!

[kafkod]

I've told you at least 5 times now that your whole argument about the WBA order is based on a factual error. And there you go repeating it again!

But we know that WBA order was nonsense because all the WBA said was that you have 24 hours to get a fight signed or else we'll start moving towards purse bids But moving towards purse bids buys Hearn another two weeks to finalize the Wilder fight.

The WBA didn't say anything like that in their statement. Here it is again:

Gilberto Mendoza said: "Today the WBA requested an answer from Anthony Joshua's team regarding his fight with the mandatory challenger Alexander Povetkin.

"The WBA have allowed over a month extension to negotiations with Povetkin and also ongoing discussions with Deontay Wilder.

"It appears the Wilder team have not returned the contract for the fight and therefore we are requesting a date for the Joshua versus Povetkin fight with immediate effect."

Please read it and highlight the part where Mendoza tells Hearn he has 24 hours to get the fight signed before a purse bid is ordered.

Hearn and Ryabinski had both made statements saying they had reached agreement on terms and were ready to go if the unification couldn't be finalised, so no purse bid for the mandatory was necessary.

What Mendoza is saying there is that time has been called on the AJ/Wilder negotiations and Joshua needs to confirm that he is going to fight Povetkin next and give the WBA the date on which he intends to it .... with immediate effect. In other words straight away .. not in 2 weeks time.

[kafkod]

you guys are really missing hte boat with this one. eddie didn't try and negotiate anything, he turned the offer down. you don't fight over glove make or ring size before you agree to the important stuff; how much money and when. really, if you don't get by the dollar amount, as in any real negotiation, things do not progress.


do not act like eddie was willing to take the fight in the US, in 2018, and for more money. he wants you to think that he was trying to make the fight this year, you have to understand that he was not. FFS it is not hard to see, teh guy has done everything under the sun to keep this fight from happening. first he hid joshua behind dillian white. then he asked for 50 million. then he got it. then he asked for 50 million pounds . then he said," less money is fine, fight has to be in the UK." wilder agrees to a flat fee that is way out of line for what the challenger in the biggest fight in boxing. then he won't fight this year and hides behind alexander f#cking povetkin?

FFS dude what makes it so hard to see? hearn does not want this fight next. if he had it his way he'd take the fight in 2020!

You are partly correct there. Hearn turned down a fight with Wilder in the US because AJ wanted it in the UK, in front of his own fans.

But that doesn't translate into him out ruling a fight in the UK this year.

Hearn does prefer next year. And Wilder's team do too .. otherwise they would have signed the contract before the WBA ordered their mando and Hearn would have had no choice but to fight Wilder next.

[EnglishOxide]

you guys are really missing hte boat with this one. eddie didn't try and negotiate anything, he turned the offer down. you don't fight over glove make or ring size before you agree to the important stuff; how much money and when. really, if you don't get by the dollar amount, as in any real negotiation, things do not progress.


do not act like eddie was willing to take the fight in the US, in 2018, and for more money. he wants you to think that he was trying to make the fight this year, you have to understand that he was not. FFS it is not hard to see, teh guy has done everything under the sun to keep this fight from happening. first he hid joshua behind dillian white. then he asked for 50 million. then he got it. then he asked for 50 million pounds . then he said," less money is fine, fight has to be in the UK." wilder agrees to a flat fee that is way out of line for what the challenger in the biggest fight in boxing. then he won't fight this year and hides behind alexander f#cking povetkin?

FFS dude what makes it so hard to see? hearn does not want this fight next. if he had it his way he'd take the fight in 2020!

Come on buddy.

Hearn requested 2 different meetings to talk/negotiate regarding the fight and the 50m offer whilst he was in town. Finkel turned them down.

How on earth can you say Hearn didn't try to negotiate anything? It was Finkel and Wilder who said their offer was non-negotiable

What more can Hearn do? Forget about AJ saying 50m for a second and just look at the picture here.

He wanted to negotiate Wilders offer and they refused. Fine.

But then don't try and make out Hearn was the one trying to avoid the fight when he made the opening offer, and 3 counter offers to the 50m.

Seriously, think about it.

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"Today the WBA requested an answer from Anthony Joshua's team regarding his fight with the mandatory challenger Alexander Povetkin.

And what happens if they don't give an answer? A purse bid is eventually ordered. Giving plenty of time to give Wilder a contract with a date so he can sign that Friday as promised. Or, tell the WBA Wilder is signing as soon as he's given a date and he'll be given a date that week.

"It appears the Wilder team have not returned the contract for the fight and therefore we are requesting a date for the Joshua versus Povetkin fight with immediate effect."

Wilder hadn't returned a contract because he was never given a date. The WBA's request for a date for Povetkin is still meaningless because if AJ doesn't comply, they order a purse bid a couple weeks later. Giving plenty of time to give Wilder a date that week so he could sign Friday.

Please read it and highlight the part where Mendoza tells Hearn he has 24 hours to get the fight signed before a purse bid is ordered.

Mendoza doesn't have to say it. Ordering the purse bid is his only legal recourse if the 24 hours expire.

And Povetkin's team admitted the fight wasn't signed in 24 hours anyway.

The WBA's statement was complete nonsense. It meant nothing. They just issued it to help Hearn save face.

[New England]

Come on buddy.

Hearn requested 2 different meetings to talk/negotiate regarding the fight and the 50m offer whilst he was in town. Finkel turned them down.

How on earth can you say Hearn didn't try to negotiate anything? It was Finkel and Wilder who said their offer was non-negotiable

What more can Hearn do? Forget about AJ saying 50m for a second and just look at the picture here.

He wanted to negotiate Wilders offer and they refused. Fine.

But then don't try and make out Hearn was the one trying to avoid the fight when he made the opening offer, and 3 counter offers to the 50m.

Seriously, think about it.

dude he didn't accept the term sheet.

again, there is nothing to discuss if you don't take the 50 million dollars. they're not getting more. they weren't going to ask for more, if you listen to hearn's interviews and statements. you don't even need to read between the lines. they wanted the fight in the uk and next year. they said this.

again, they did not agree to the 50 million dollar offer. show me where they said, yeah, 50 million is fine, let's talk.


even if you distill this entire interaction down to this one element it's clear that hearn wasn't keen on the fight right away. but we shouldn't do that! look at the rest of what i posted! first he said wilder needs to fight dillian whyte. wilder gets offered a flat fee which is roughly what joe parker banked, and would be the smallest purse split of a HW megafight ever. then he said 50 million. then he got 50 million! then i'm not sure if it was tongue in cheek or not, but for a while they said 50 million pounds! wilder has agreed to a fight in the UK for a slight improvement over the 12 millionish US offer, but hearn would not confirm the date! supposedly the WBA is breathing down his neck, but he won't come back to make the fight that would push povetkin off!

sheesh dude! what are you not seeing? why do you think eddie hearn wants this fight next? and why are you saying he wanted to take 50 million and fight on US ppv in vegas when eddie has said that he is not.

[EnglishOxide]

dude he didn't accept the term sheet.

again, there is nothing to discuss if you don't take the 50 million dollars. they're not getting more. they weren't going to ask for more, if you listen to hearn's interviews and statements. you don't even need to read between the lines. they wanted the fight in the uk and next year. they said this.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you here. But please understand.

AJ didn't accept the financial terms, inclusive of the other known terms.

Hearn was in town to discuss the fight offer.

Hearn was willing to negotiate the money and/or the split. This is why he wanted to meet and find out the details.

Team Wilder was not willing to negotiate.

Once Team Joshua realised Team Wilder weren't willing to get into a dialogue regarding this offer they decided to nail down the fight in the UK instead.

Team Joshua's opening offer was open for negotiation and was done so, to the point that a contract was sent when the purse for Wilder went from 12.5m to 15m.

It's clear Team Wilder wanted to hold Joshua to his word and make him look bad, rather than seriously talk about getting Joshua to fight in the US.

Would anybody have argued if Wilder simply offered a 60/40 split to Joshua? That may have got the fight over the line. But they didn't even try.

[kafkod]

And what happens if they don't give an answer? A purse bid is eventually ordered. Giving plenty of time to give Wilder a contract with a date so he can sign that Friday as promised. Or, tell the WBA Wilder is signing as soon as he's given a date and he'll be given a date that week.




Wilder hadn't returned a contract because he was never given a date. The WBA's request for a date for Povetkin is still meaningless because if AJ doesn't comply, they order a purse bid a couple weeks later. Giving plenty of time to give Wilder a date that week so he could sign Friday.




Mendoza doesn't have to say it. Ordering the purse bid is his only legal recourse if the 24 hours expire.

And Povetkin's team admitted the fight wasn't signed in 24 hours anyway.

The WBA's statement was complete nonsense. It meant nothing. They just issued it to help Hearn save face.

Lol .. you are full of it mate. Are you seriously being paid to post this nonsense?

There is no legal requirement for a sanctioning body to order a purse bid before stripping a champion for not fighting his mando. Did the IBF order a bid before stripping GGG?

And there is no sane reason why the WBA should be interested in helping Eddie Hearn save face, even if he needed help in that respect, which he clearly doesn't.

[N/A]

There is no legal requirement for a sanctioning body to order a purse bid before stripping a champion for not fighting his mando.

Yes there is. Otherwise the mando could refuse to sign for the fight and get the champion stripped with the champion having no way to stop it.

[kafkod]

Yes there is. Otherwise the mando could refuse to sign for the fight and get the champion stripped with the champion having no way to stop it.

Purse bids are only ordered when the 2 sides can't reach an agreement on terms. The terms were not an issue with AJ and Povetkin. They had agreed terms for their fight already so a purse bid would not have been necessary.