if ward were still active....p4p

[Curt Henning]

say ward didn't retire....and lets say he has had two fights since then

maybe a 175 filler and Adonis chickenson?

or a 175 filler and maybe bellew at cruiser

would either of those scenarios still call him p4p #1 or do you think loma would be there?

[Randall Cunning]

Yeah hed still be number 1. He's coming back anyway, I'm convinced. We can all have a big old argument when he fights Bellew and should he be reinstated as #1

[Johnston]

Yea depending on who he fought he would have a good case for #1. Wouldn't be irrefutable but he would right next to loma at either 1 or 2

[4truth]

depends... did he get a gift decision over Bellew and nail Adonis with multiple low blows to win? If the answer to both is no then YES. If the answer to either or both is yes then NO.

[Nay_Sayer]

Losses count. Ward is *undefeated*. If Ward comes out of retirement then he goes back to P4P #1 status..

[The Big Dunn]

He'd still be #1 in all the credible media rankings. On NSB, he'd still be subjected to the same garbage from racists, fans of the guys he defeated and the anti American fighter crowd.

[chrisJS]

Losses count. Ward is *undefeated*. If Ward comes out of retirement then he goes back to P4P #1 status..

So Roy Jones never qualified for p4p after 1997 and Hopkins while career he was inferior to anyone undefeated?

Juan Manuel Marquez, Henry Armstrong, Alexis Arguello etc; these guys are all inferior to the current version of Ryan Garcia? What if Calzaghe came back? P4p?

Your rules. LOL at Henry Armstrong being garbage. He's better than your or anyone's idol unless your idol is SRR.

[bluebeam]

So Roy Jones never qualified for p4p after 1997 and Hopkins while career he was inferior to anyone undefeated?

Juan Manuel Marquez, Henry Armstrong, Alexis Arguello etc; these guys are all inferior to the current version of Ryan Garcia? What if Calzaghe came back? P4p?

Your rules. LOL at Henry Armstrong being garbage. He's better than your or anyone's idol unless your idol is SRR.

he doesnt mean you have to be undefeated to be p4p number 1.

he is saying there are guys like crawford who is undefeated became undisputed and is aiming at his 3rd weight class without losing.

canelo who loma has lost more recent than and who hasnt lost to anybody except the greatest of the last 15 years.

GGG who is undefeated through double digit title defenses.

ward undefeated and took out the top dog at 168 and 175 to become the top dog.

Mikey who has won titles in more weight classes than loma without losing

he is just saying that guys with better resumes like canelo and undefeated fighters like crawford and ward could be p4p 1 instead of loma.

[Randall Cunning]

Damn Curt, I don't think this thread went the way you thought it would

[Redd Foxx]

He'd have better competition at 175 than Loma has been facing so I think it's likely he'd still be #1.
It's not nice to bring him up though. The anuses of half the forum members here are still healing from the dicking Ward gave them.