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dude if you think those two are in the same atmosphere with punhing power you are out of your mind. do you really think baer hits as hard?
deontay wilder and max baer?
the f#ck are you even talking about!
louis was a better overall fighter than moorer for a number of reasons, but moorer benefitted from 40-50 years of schooling and knowledge, high quality tapes to look at, etc, that edified the kind of precision you'd get coming out of the kronk gym. believe me whan i say that it wasn't developed idly, and that precision and super calculated delivery of power like mclellan, hearns, moorer, would be completely new to baer. it's just a fact that baer was incredibly crude when compared to both louis and moorer, hearns.
FFs did you watch the fight that keeps getting posted? dude literally flaills with his back hand like a kid. do i need to point out where this happens, and why you don't take serioulsy a guy who is so unschooled that in a moment of excitement or duress his instinct is to flail with the back of his glove? he swings his right hand from his pocket and you're taught not to do that as a 6-8 year old today! the fact is that he wouldn't have those kinds of instincts if he was really a modern boxer and not incredibly crude. and a sharpshooter like moorer who is also left handed and could bang very hard would have no problem at all connecting at any point in the fight.
baer would have a hard time landing a punch. believe me, you can find crude HW who can punch in any era. you coldn't find a southpaw like moorer until lefties stepped off of the pitching mound.
where does he win the fight? inside flailing away like that? just trust me when i say that moorer uses the ring well enough that that is not going to happen without a huge price getting paid! and when they got close i'd expect moorer to be just fine physically, max baer was big in 1935 but not today! he'd be a small HW and his advantages would be hysterically mute. i played hockey with bigger dudes! you'll see bigger framed dudes at a planet fitness
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so again, what does he do, exactly? punch as hard as wilder? you're nuts!
deontay wilder and max baer?
the f#ck are you even talking about!
louis was a better overall fighter than moorer for a number of reasons, but moorer benefitted from 40-50 years of schooling and knowledge, high quality tapes to look at, etc, that edified the kind of precision you'd get coming out of the kronk gym. believe me whan i say that it wasn't developed idly, and that precision and super calculated delivery of power like mclellan, hearns, moorer, would be completely new to baer. it's just a fact that baer was incredibly crude when compared to both louis and moorer, hearns.
FFs did you watch the fight that keeps getting posted? dude literally flaills with his back hand like a kid. do i need to point out where this happens, and why you don't take serioulsy a guy who is so unschooled that in a moment of excitement or duress his instinct is to flail with the back of his glove? he swings his right hand from his pocket and you're taught not to do that as a 6-8 year old today! the fact is that he wouldn't have those kinds of instincts if he was really a modern boxer and not incredibly crude. and a sharpshooter like moorer who is also left handed and could bang very hard would have no problem at all connecting at any point in the fight.
baer would have a hard time landing a punch. believe me, you can find crude HW who can punch in any era. you coldn't find a southpaw like moorer until lefties stepped off of the pitching mound.
where does he win the fight? inside flailing away like that? just trust me when i say that moorer uses the ring well enough that that is not going to happen without a huge price getting paid! and when they got close i'd expect moorer to be just fine physically, max baer was big in 1935 but not today! he'd be a small HW and his advantages would be hysterically mute. i played hockey with bigger dudes! you'll see bigger framed dudes at a planet fitness
. so again, what does he do, exactly? punch as hard as wilder
? you're nuts!
I take it you haven’t seen the Moorer vs Cooper fight if you think just ‘flailing away’ (lol) wouldn’t have any success. Cooper attacked Moorer about as crudely as you can and had him all over the place. You massively overrate Moorers defence and his movement as a HW. Just watch his fights. He was easy to draw into a brawl and was not particularly difficult to find once you got him there. Sure he was skilled offensively, but defensively he was seriously lacking, coupled with a below average chin? Oh boy.
Where in the hell has this overrating of Moorer come from? The guy was good but his only true claim to fame is beating a clearly, famously, poor version of Holyfield, and outboxing a 197 year old George Foreman before getting KTFO.
Btw, even modern punchers gloves have a duck load of padding around the fist which helps defensively compared to old days. I wasn’t talking about how hard they hit, I was talking about his ability to defend himself using his preferred high guard and old 1930s gloves.
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