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**mickey malone** · 03-15-2018, 02:44 PM

Not sure, but he paved the way on how to cheat
Cutest never to be caught red handed
Don't have any doubts about that

**tonysoprano** · 03-15-2018, 03:27 PM

He's a great fighter no doubt but the drug thing...that will always be held over him.

**The Old LefHook** · 03-15-2018, 06:52 PM

Vander on zombie drug, or just that tough?

**OctoberRed** · 03-15-2018, 11:54 PM

Originally posted by tonysoprano View Post

He's a great fighter no doubt but the drug thing...that will always be held over him.

Was it ever proven in concrete terms that he juiced?

**DreamFighter** · 03-20-2018, 07:09 AM

hovering outside top 10

**OctoberRed** · 03-21-2018, 10:48 PM

Originally posted by DreamFighter View Post

hovering outside top 10

How far out? 11-15?

**Anthony342** · 03-21-2018, 11:29 PM

Originally posted by OctoberRed View Post

How far out? 11-15?

Seems that way to me. Possibly lower end of top 10, what say you?

**DreamFighter** · 03-22-2018, 12:57 PM

Sorry, I mean around 11.

would be higher but for the drug use.

**Dempsey-Louis** · 03-22-2018, 01:26 PM

Where do you rank Barry Bonds?

**Elroy The Great** · 03-24-2018, 01:08 AM

evan fields gets a pass

and im a big holy fan

Where does Evander Holyfield rank among all time great Heavyweights?