Top 10 AT Welters, same day weigh-ins

[The Old LefHook]

Same day weigh-ins. Watch out, some of you big boys may not be able to make weight effectively anymore.


1 Walker
2 Robinson
3 Leonard
4 Hearns
5 Duran
6 Wilfred Benitez

7 Emile Griffith
8 Carmen Basilio
9 Ted Kid Lewis
10 Jose Napoles

[The Old LefHook]

Duran is a top 10 AT welterweight, because if you beat a prime Leonard in that weight division you are a great of that weight division. Period. Even the Hearns loss at welter was a bit of a fluke. Duran was too casually prepared. In a fair percentage of parallel universes I believe he beats Hearns, as Tommy's chin is just vulnerable enough to be put in danger by the miniature man. In the one in which we reside he got knocked cold pronto. I do not believe that result is representative of a thousand fights between the two. Hearns will win in more universes, but he will not win in all of them.

[cfang]

Hearns wins that fight every time. Duran taylor made for that hearns right hand. Duran a greater fighter overall but at lightweight.

[OctoberRed]

Hearns wins that fight every time. Duran taylor made for that hearns right hand. Duran a greater fighter overall but at lightweight.

Agree with this.

[The Old LefHook]

There is no "every time," when you have a chin like Tommy's.

[Affogato`]

It's hard to find footage from1910s-1940s to prove how great they were.

Can you explain how good was mickey walker ? Why he's above SRR and SRL ?

And how basilio over kid gavilan when he lost to him?

[The Old LefHook]

It's hard to find footage from1910s-1940s to prove how great they were.

Can you explain how good was mickey walker ? Why he's above SRR and SRL ?

And how basilio over kid gavilan when he lost to him?

A case can be made for Gavilan. And there is film of Walker. The former welterweight gave Max Schmelinjg a good tussle before being KO'd by the relative giant. Walker could really take it and he had a great lefhook that was not telegraphed at all. One of the cleanest most technically perfect lefhooks I have ever seen.


Robinson is probably a bit overrated. Whenever people give automatic responses they are not putting much thought in. People automatically award Robinson first place. Some of the mythical matchups would be much better and harder fights than he had in his actual career. He never fought anyone in the least like Hearns, or for that matter anyone like Leonard either. Robinson will have his hands very full in mythical matchups, and would of course be KO'd by Schmeling too. If Maxim can do it, Schmeling can sure as hell do it.

[Affogato`]

A case can be made for Gavilan. And there is film of Walker. The former welterweight gave Max Schmelinjg a good tussle before being KO'd by the relative giant. Walker could really take it and he had a great lefhook that was not telegraphed at all. One of the cleanest most technically perfect lefhooks I have ever seen.


Robinson is probably a bit overrated. Whenever people give automatic responses they are not putting much thought in. People automatically award Robinson first place. Some of the mythical matchups would be much better and harder fights than he had in his actual career. He never fought anyone in the least like Hearns, or for that matter anyone like Leonard either. Robinson will have his hands very full in mythical matchups, and would of course be KO'd by Schmeling too. If Maxim can do it, Schmeling can sure as hell do it.

Joey Maxim fight... SRR lost to HEAT, at the time he was winning all 3 judges scored 10-3, 9-3-1 and 7-3-3

https://boxrec.com/media/index.php/J...r_Ray_Robinson

I think SRR did enough in welter.. He didn't lose in Welterweight division
Mickey walker lost to Pete Latzo in Welterweight Title bout
I just a bit wonder..

[Willie Pep 229]

SRR lost to Joey Maxim not the heat. You have to go the distance, the other guy wasn't defeated by the same heat.

Being ahead on the score cards means nothing if you can't go the distance.

Maybe he didn't properly pace himself and the other guy did; or maybe he should have spent more time in the gym?

But he got 'out lasted' and in the end that counts, not an incomplete score card.

[The Old LefHook]

Robinson's ring generalship in the AT arena is an overall deduction. He plain fought harder and faster than he needed to to win against Maxim. His poor energy management was purely his own fault. He was nowhere near the ring general Ray Leonard was.